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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Website for Sarosh & Viraf

Date: 20 Dec 1998 18:05:45 -0500


>
> The website's wonderful. Viraf, your written travelogue is
> really exquisite, just wonderful writing.
>
> Annie


Thanks Annie. It was a joint effort so the credit should also go to
Sarosh.

Viraf.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: US prototype model photos

Date: 20 Dec 1998 21:29:28 -0500


I appreciate the models and the really hard work that Craig and others
have put into
the models and indeed the webpage.

Apurva

Anne Ogborn wrote:

> clzeni wrote:
> >
> > Hello friends,
> >
> > Please have a look at the URL below. It is my page of photographs
of
> > models of my local model railway group, the League Of Non Aligned
> > Modelers. The page contains 15 thumbnails of photos of our modeling
> > work.
> >
> > The page is <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/leaguemodels.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/leaguemodels.html</A>
> >
> > --
> > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com
> >
> > <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>
>
> Beautiful models. I was impressed with the trackwork shot - two dual
gage
> tracks and a std gage all crossing at the same point! =8^O
>
> The "BLT" was fun too.
>
> But, I'm most intrigued - how'd you get the name "League of nonaligned
modellers"?

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Amartya Sen at Bolpur

Date: 20 Dec 1998 21:35:20 -0500


Gang,

Dr. Sen did take an Eastern Rail special coach attached to the
Shantiniketan Express. There was some minister traveling with him as
well. The packed crowd of commoners and the milling VIPs made it a
security nightmare at Howrah as well as Bolpur. I suspect Dr. Sen
preferred taking the train because that is re enacting a part of his
past when he was in Shantiniketan, then the trains would be the
preferred mode of transport . There is no report of any charge on the
coach.

Apurva

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Railways charging Amartya Sen for Special Coach.

Date: 20 Dec 1998 23:32:16 -0500


Dear Apurva and others,

Much as i think the case put forward by you is valid, the logic
provided
doesn't hold much ground.

There obviously is no comparison between a Nobel laureate(which means
plenty
of money I think!!!) on a whimsical nostalgic trip(when he could have
easily taken a helicopter or traveled in a normal I AC coupe) and a man
who
who is
seriously ill and needs urgent medical attention. The amount indicated
being
charged
towards this affair by the railways also seems token.

The first incident quoted by you shows that the railways are very much
alive
to the cause of their fraternity and to that of civilians as well in
certain
cases(as is clear in the second example quoted by you) which is not bad
in
any case.

I don't think anybody can contest the fact that railways in India are
already doing more than their fair share of free
social-economic-political
services and would do well without adding further to that burden. I am
sure
Dr. Sen
understands that very well, being a simple case of practicing what he
preaches, but then Iam not so sure about his admirers!

In no way or manner do I mean to imply that whatever the railways are
doing
is
right(including providing freebies to select) but then two wrongs do not
make a right, or do they ?

HARSH



-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Vdate@aol.email <Vdate@aol.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Railways charging Amartya Sen for Special Coach.


>Let us also have faith in the Indian sense of morality (particularly
that
of the
>Calcutta junta) who would easily rally against the railway's judgement
and
even
>collect money from the ordinary folks to pay for the expenses. The fact
that Calcutta
>has produced 2 out of 3 Indian Nobel Laureates is a very strong source
of
pride for
>the Calcutta dweller and they would not take it lying down. But I think
even the
>railways would relent, maybe the initial statements were from
railwaymen
who were
>possibly not aware of who Dr. Sen was.
>
>The railways arrange special trains for their own purposes at hardly a
moment's
>notice. I know of two instances: there was a very sick railway official
(DRM level, I
>think) and he was rushed from a smaller town to the Byculla railway
hospital by a
>single loco and one inspection coach. My cousin (who is a doctor with
the
railways)
>was in the team who had gone from Byculla to fetch the man, hence the
train
was sent
>from Mumbai and brought back to Mumbai. The train arrived in the peak
morning rush
>hour at Dadar and the man was rushed to the railway hospital nearby
amongst
the
>milling crowds. My cousin feared a minor riot for having disrupted the
peak
traffic
>but apart from dirty stares from commuters, nothing else happened.
>I also know one instance where an ordinary civilian with severe head
injury
had to be
>evacuated from Singrauli to Varanasi. The mighty Coal India Ltd. (which
operates the
>mines in Singrauli) called on the railways and a train was arranged
within
two hours
>to carry the injured man to Varanasi.
>The Railways officials can easily arrange a free train for Dr. Sen,
only
they have to
>be convinced properly.
>
>Apurva
>
>Vdate@aol.email wrote:
>
>> Just saw a news article in India Journal, The Southern California
Leading
>> Indo-American Journal. Gives a refreshing insight how railways can
honor
>> people. Metrolink, the commuter train system in Los Angeles and four
>> surrounding counties just named their San Clemente Station. SHAH
STATION
in
>> the honor of Jitendra Shah, a native of India who is in charge of
their
>> station design and construction. Now I am not saying that IR should
name
a
>> station or a division after Amartya Sen but a common decency would
have
>> demanded not charging him!
>
>
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: RPZ visit.

Date: 21 Dec 1998 02:26:54 -0500


Dear Viraf and  Sarosh,
                                          These are some really  good pictures and and of course I have feasted on your great travelouge earlier. All photographs are very bright and crisp- just perfect work. Why, Viraf, did you show me only a couple of these when I visited you. Keeping the surprises and the best ones for `the full monty' moment, eh? Congratulations on your maiden effort and do keep up the good work.
 
6478 is a YDM 4 of Phulera shed. YDM 2s are B-B DH and numbered from 2000+ whereas YDM 2s are Co-Co DE and are numbered 6100+. Only 37 YDM 2s were built and only a few survive now on the SCR whereas YDM 4s are the universal workhorse on the MG throughout.
 
Your YP 2813 didn't quite finish here completely. You'll be pleasantly surprised to know that It even survived the closure of RPZ shed and after a POH at Ajmer it was back to work at Wankaner where I saw it in Sep'97 and Apr'98. It was condemned soon thereafter and you may see it in the shed sidings at Wankaner during your January visit. Alas!
 

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Station Abbreviations

Date: 21 Dec 1998 06:43:49 -0500


Apurva wrote
Gang what is the difference between BSB and VNS ? Both are
interchangeably
used to refer to Varanasi.


Folks,
This brings us to the edge of another topic - How do stations get their
codes/short forms. I would like to make some of my own observations

1. Station codes are of course based on station names close to it and
are
from one to four letters long
2. Most "classic" codes are derived from the old name of a place. This
means
that the code remains same even if the name of the place changes.

BSB - Varanasi (Banaras)
BZA - Vijaywada (Bezwada)
CLA - Kurla (Coorla)
MAS - Chennai (Madras)
SBC - Bangalore City (South Bangalore City)
BRC - Vadodara Jn (Baroda Central)
BSR - Vasai Rd (Bassein Rd.)
CAPE - Kanniyakumari (Cape Comorin)

3. The one exception is Bombay which changed to Mumbai (and later VT to
CST)
BB became MB
BBVT became MBVT for a short while and consequently CSTM
BCT changed to MCT

4. Some stations could not find all suitable alphabets

MAQ - Mangalore
BPQ - Balharshah

Regards
Rajan

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: KR Time Table and Information

Date: 21 Dec 1998 06:51:50 -0500


Folks,

I've been sick recently so not been able to actively participate ....

Anyway the promised KR table is ready and UP ... so please check it out
and
let me know
currently only two sheet timetables and a skeleton index page are up.
A few more pages are ready which I will be uploading soon.

<A HREF="http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/index.html">http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/index.html</A>

<A HREF="http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krdown.htm">http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krdown.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krup.htm">http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krup.htm</A>


Rajan

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Station Abbreviations

Date: 21 Dec 1998 07:51:47 -0500


What about the classic HX = Cuddupah ? Which station code can you list
with one letter
?

Apurva

Rajan Mathew wrote:

> Apurva wrote
> Gang what is the difference between BSB and VNS ? Both are
interchangeably
> used to refer to Varanasi.
>
> Folks,
> This brings us to the edge of another topic - How do stations get
their
> codes/short forms. I would like to make some of my own observations
>
> 1. Station codes are of course based on station names close to it and
are
> from one to four letters long
> 2. Most "classic" codes are derived from the old name of a place. This
means
> that the code remains same even if the name of the place changes.
>
> BSB - Varanasi (Banaras)
> BZA - Vijaywada (Bezwada)
> CLA - Kurla (Coorla)
> MAS - Chennai (Madras)
> SBC - Bangalore City (South Bangalore City)
> BRC - Vadodara Jn (Baroda Central)
> BSR - Vasai Rd (Bassein Rd.)
> CAPE - Kanniyakumari (Cape Comorin)
>
> 3. The one exception is Bombay which changed to Mumbai (and later VT
to CST)
> BB became MB
> BBVT became MBVT for a short while and consequently CSTM
> BCT changed to MCT
>
> 4. Some stations could not find all suitable alphabets
>
> MAQ - Mangalore
> BPQ - Balharshah
>
> Regards
> Rajan

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: India Rails

Date: 21 Dec 1998 09:39:47 -0500


I've seen a first person loco simulator (on download.com, but I've
forgotten
the name of it) before. I downloaded it, and found it quite boring, with
really bad CGA-quality vector graphics, and poor playability, so I got
rid
of it. It might have been called Main Line, but that may be another game
I'm
thinking of.

You know Annie, a kind of Rail Simulator (a train version of Flight
Simulator) would be pretty neat. Not only to do the standard
driving/pulling
freight stuff of other simulators, but to actually do things like drive
a
passenger train on a real route, and pull into replicas of real
stations.
I'd love to work on something like this - the key, of course, would be
an
ultra-real 3d rail simulator engine - the rest could be built around it.

Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Ogborn [mailto:anniepoo@netmagic.email
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 1998 12:50 AM
To: Apurva Bahadur; irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: India Rails


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> I want to know if there is a loco simulator software available, where
the
> player is the driver himself, he has to watch the speed limits, fuel
balance
> and signals. I know that there is hardly a challenge for a serious
gamer,
but
> there are thousands (millions ?) like me who do not want to drive a
virtual
> car/plane/speedboat etc but would gladly spend many many hours working
> trains. Give a choice of say a steam loco (press the F1 ten times to
tend
and
> coal the firebox, press F2 to open the injector, should you forget to
open
> the cylinder steam cocks before you start - you end up with a cracked
barrel
> and the end of your driving career {the real steam walahs had to to do
this -
> remove the condesate from the cold cylinder at startup - there were
many
> areas in the steam loco operation that you had to remember, there was
no
way
> to prevent a mistake being made) , keep speed under control on the
down
> gradient or you would derail the goods rake. One more choice (much
less
> demanding ) is driving a diesel or electric.
> I am not looking for a layout simulator like Cat train or a planning
game
> like Empire builder but a noisy and fast loco simulator.


Strange you should ask, Apurva -
the reason I was browsing the train game web site wasn't idle
curiosity.

I'm a software contractor, and I've worked for game companies before.
I currently have a 60% time contract with a little startup, and I'm
looking for something to do with the other 40%. I'm thinking of just
such a simulator as a little business.

You're riding 6000 HP of screaming AC power, now in dynamic braking. The
whine is
barely muted by the supposedly sound isolating cab. Behind you is
another
14000 HP
in the form of 3 convertible 90MAC's.
Behind that, though you can't see much of it on these tight mountain
curves,
is
114 aluminum gondolas of bituminous. Somewhere back there are 5 more
units
in DP mode.
YOu've struggled up Tennesee pass. Now all you have to do is get this
12,000 ton machine back down in one piece. Watch your slack action!

Your assistant driver leans out the cab window to relay signals from the
man
on
the ground. Carefully, don't want to jostle the passengers, you gently
back
your
WP onto the point of the Rajhdani. But you've got the easy part - it's
the
assistant driver who'se worried about the bad water, and watching the
glass
for
the first sign of foaming.

8^)

If anybody knows of any programs even vaguely like this, good or bad,
I'd
like
to know about them.

Annie

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: New page on passing trains.....

Date: 21 Dec 1998 09:42:38 -0500


Thanks for all the wonderful pictures. I absolutely love the WCAM2
engine
for some reason, and these are the best pix of that loco I've seen on
the
web.

I may just have to bug you sometime for some closer pictures of the
WCAM2 -
they do not run in the section of the country I'll be visiting. ;)

Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: Bharat Vohra [mailto:bvohra@hotmail.email
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 1998 5:14 AM
To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: New page on passing trains.....


Hi All!
Please check out another addition to 'railinindia' at-

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/pass.html">http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/pass.html</A>

Do get back to me with any feedback,

Thanks and regards
Bharat Vohra


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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: MONORAIL society WEBSITE homepage

Date: 21 Dec 1998 10:04:40 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> Are there any metros in the world which use a OHE rather than 3rd
> rail ?

The Rome Metro comes to mind. Also the Paris RER lines use OHE. The RER
lines are the Express semi-suburban underground system in Paris. I seem
to recall that Madrid also has OHE using Metro.

--
Jishnu Mukerji

From: prakash <>

Subject: Re: MONORAIL society WEBSITE homepage

Date: 21 Dec 1998 18:07:48 -0500




Jishnu,

Add two more. Red Line in Cleveland, OH and Skokie Swift in
Chicago, IL, unless they were already added earlier.

Prakash



Jishnu Mukerji <jis@fpk.email on 12/21/98 10:04:40 AM

To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
cc: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email (bcc: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM)
Subject: Re: MONORAIL society WEBSITE homepage





Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> Are there any metros in the world which use a OHE rather than 3rd
> rail ?

The Rome Metro comes to mind. Also the Paris RER lines use OHE. The RER
lines are the Express semi-suburban underground system in Paris. I seem
to recall that Madrid also has OHE using Metro.

--
Jishnu Mukerji

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: KR Time Table and Information

Date: 21 Dec 1998 22:14:54 -0500


Wow Rajan, this is really a great spreadsheet that you have made
including
station codes. There was a news that the MAO- MAQ passenger that used
to run
at around 1400 Hrs ex MAO is no more - any more details ?

Apurva

Rajan Mathew wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I've been sick recently so not been able to actively participate ....
>
> Anyway the promised KR table is ready and UP ... so please check it
out and
> let me know
> currently only two sheet timetables and a skeleton index page are up.
> A few more pages are ready which I will be uploading soon.
>
> <A HREF="http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/index.html">http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/index.html</A>
>
> <A HREF="http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krdown.htm">http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krdown.htm</A>
>
> <A HREF="http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krup.htm">http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/krup.htm</A>
>
> Rajan

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: India Rails

Date: 22 Dec 1998 00:56:10 -0500




Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> I've seen a first person loco simulator (on download.com, but I've
forgotten
> the name of it) before. I downloaded it, and found it quite boring,
with
> really bad CGA-quality vector graphics, and poor playability, so I got
rid
> of it. It might have been called Main Line, but that may be another
game I'm
> thinking of.

Shanku, I downloaded Main Line from the site you have mentioned, it is a
'section controller' type game - three lines - six trains represented by
a
moving colour spot from both ends of the 3 lines. There are point to
cross over.
The idea is to allow the six trains to reach the other side without
colliding.
Yes - the game allows collisions ! This is step better than the Cat
train
software which is richer graphically but does not allow conflicts. This
game is
around 2 Mb, but there is also a 19 MB game which has a promising name
like 3d
something or the other in the same download.com site. I do not have the
patience
or the guts to download such a large file on Indian telephone lines -
anyone
with a leased line / ISDN could please download this game and let us all
know
about the contents.Long time ago I had a really primitive game called PC
-RR
which used the ascii symbols like /, \, | etc to make a track of quite a
reasonable complexity which we could label as Gaziabad, Kalyan or
Kacheguda and
get quite a cheap thrill moving dots representing the train. The Cat
train is a
newer software based on the same idea and is in colour. The search for
the loco
simulator software is very much on.

Apurva

>
>
> You know Annie, a kind of Rail Simulator (a train version of Flight
> Simulator) would be pretty neat. Not only to do the standard
driving/pulling
> freight stuff of other simulators, but to actually do things like
drive a
> passenger train on a real route, and pull into replicas of real
stations.
> I'd love to work on something like this - the key, of course, would be
an
> ultra-real 3d rail simulator engine - the rest could be built around
it.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne Ogborn [mailto:anniepoo@netmagic.email
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 1998 12:50 AM
> To: Apurva Bahadur; irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: India Rails
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > Gang,
> >
> > I want to know if there is a loco simulator software available,
where the
> > player is the driver himself, he has to watch the speed limits, fuel
> balance
> > and signals. I know that there is hardly a challenge for a serious
gamer,
> but
> > there are thousands (millions ?) like me who do not want to drive a
> virtual
> > car/plane/speedboat etc but would gladly spend many many hours
working
> > trains. Give a choice of say a steam loco (press the F1 ten times to
tend
> and
> > coal the firebox, press F2 to open the injector, should you forget
to open
> > the cylinder steam cocks before you start - you end up with a
cracked
> barrel
> > and the end of your driving career {the real steam walahs had to to
do
> this -
> > remove the condesate from the cold cylinder at startup - there were
many
> > areas in the steam loco operation that you had to remember, there
was no
> way
> > to prevent a mistake being made) , keep speed under control on the
down
> > gradient or you would derail the goods rake. One more choice (much
less
> > demanding ) is driving a diesel or electric.
> > I am not looking for a layout simulator like Cat train or a planning
game
> > like Empire builder but a noisy and fast loco simulator.
>
> Strange you should ask, Apurva -
> the reason I was browsing the train game web site wasn't idle
curiosity.
>
> I'm a software contractor, and I've worked for game companies before.
> I currently have a 60% time contract with a little startup, and I'm
> looking for something to do with the other 40%. I'm thinking of just
> such a simulator as a little business.
>
> You're riding 6000 HP of screaming AC power, now in dynamic braking.
The
> whine is
> barely muted by the supposedly sound isolating cab. Behind you is
another
> 14000 HP
> in the form of 3 convertible 90MAC's.
> Behind that, though you can't see much of it on these tight mountain
curves,
> is
> 114 aluminum gondolas of bituminous. Somewhere back there are 5 more
units
> in DP mode.
> YOu've struggled up Tennesee pass. Now all you have to do is get this
> 12,000 ton machine back down in one piece. Watch your slack action!
>
> Your assistant driver leans out the cab window to relay signals from
the man
> on
> the ground. Carefully, don't want to jostle the passengers, you gently
back
> your
> WP onto the point of the Rajhdani. But you've got the easy part -
it's the
> assistant driver who'se worried about the bad water, and watching the
glass
> for
> the first sign of foaming.
>
> 8^)
>
> If anybody knows of any programs even vaguely like this, good or bad,
I'd
> like
> to know about them.
>
> Annie

From: Shakoor_Uppal <>

Subject: Re: [Indian%20Railways%20Enquiry]

Date: 22 Dec 1998 07:30:41 -0500




Could you kindly assist? Thanks!
---------------------- Forwarded by Shakoor Uppal/TTC/AAR on 22/12/98
08:34
AM ---------------------------


Vivek Prakash <railmail@netscape.email on 16/12/98 07:25:21 PM

To: Shakoor Uppal/TTC/AAR
cc:

Subject: Re: [Indian%20Railways%20Enquiry]




Hi Shakoor,
Unfortunately I have absolutley no idea on how to get this information,
but
I
will point you to some folks who might know. The Indian Railways Fan
Club
Association has a lot of people with a wealth of knowledge on all
aspects
of
IR, you can join the mailing list by sending an email to
irfca-request@cs.email with "Subscribe" in the subject. Then you can
post
messages to irfca@cs.email and people there are sure to be able to
help
you
:-)
Regards,
Vivek

Shakoor_Uppal@aar.email wrote:
>
>
> I would like to obtain a copy of the Indian Railways Bridge Design
Code >
and would gratly appreciate if you could help me in this regard. Thanks
>

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From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: Off to India now!

Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:17:20 -0500



> >I have traveled on the Viramgam-Okha route twice and have
> not seen any
> >Jamnagar bypass. I checked with my 1998 Western Rly. TT to
> see whether
> this
> >New Jamnagar has mysteriously sprung-up in the last three
> years, but no
> such
> >luck! So, rest assured, every train to Okha passes via Jamnagar and
> the
> >distance is correct.
>
> Re New Jamnagar - my bradshaw is adamant. It exists. The route thro
> Jamnagar is longer; please someone check out bradshaws of similar
> vintage to mine... The line apparently bifurcates at Hapa...


Since I could not find New Jamnagar in my 1998 Western Rly. timetable or
1995 Bradshaw, I dug through my stack of timetables and found it in my
1990
Bradshaw. The information here is clearly incorrect. Page 185 shows
Hapa-New Jamnagar as 5 kms. and New Jamnagar-Lakhabawal as 1 km!! The
211
passenger takes 14 mts. between New Jamnagar and Lakhabawal - let's say
that
4 mts. is spent in acceleration+deceleration, so it takes 10 mts. to
travel
1 km. at a fantastic speed of 6 KMPH. I then went back to my 1995
Bradshaw
and checked the same page - New Jamnagar has been replaced with Jamnagar
with the correct distances - these are consistent with information in
the
Western Rly. TT. As I mentioned before, I have traveled twice on this
route and have not seen any bifurcation at Hapa or Lakhabawal, I have
all
this on videotape as well. All this is enough to convince me that New
Jamnagar is nonexistant. Of course, you can continue to use New
Jamnagar if
it pleases you :-)


>
> >My 1998 TAAG shows Kaptanganj-Bagaha as 55 kms. Note that the
> >Chhitauni-ValmikinagarRd-Bagaha rail link was opened to traffic a
> couple of
> >years back and my NE TT doesn't cover that. We need this
> information
> from
> >someone who has the latest NE TT or Bradshaw.
>
> Hmmm. My bradshaw gives Kaptan-Chhit as 49kms and Valmik-Bagaha as
> 10kms, making K-C-V-B of 55km suggest C-V is -4 kms... :))
> Are Valmik
> and Chhit still both on the route when the gap was closed?
> Was the brad
> info wrong? Has there been a shortening? ZonalTT or other brad info,
> please!

I checked with my bradshaw and realized that the distances conflict with
the
TAAG - I have more faith in the Bradshaw distances that the TAAG.
Someone
with the new NorthEastern TT - please let me know whether
Chittauni-Bagaha
includes Valmikinagar Rd.


Vijay

From: abalchan <>

Subject: Trains on IR!

Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:25:17 -0500


Is there an IR timetable available on the net?

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: India Rails

Date: 22 Dec 1998 11:04:48 -0500


I've actually tried that 3d game before - the demo is too limited to
tell
for sure, but it does have a fairly decent 3d rendering. The game,
however,
is pretty tough to understand. I think a rail simulator would have to be
extremely simple to start using in order to be popular - the same way
you
can take time to learn all the intricacies of a flight simulator, but
also
just go for a quick spin the first time you get it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur [mailto:iti@vsnl.email
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 12:56 AM
To: Shanku Niyogi
Cc: 'Anne Ogborn'; irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: India Rails




Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> I've seen a first person loco simulator (on download.com, but I've
forgotten
> the name of it) before. I downloaded it, and found it quite boring,
with
> really bad CGA-quality vector graphics, and poor playability, so I got
rid
> of it. It might have been called Main Line, but that may be another
game
I'm
> thinking of.

Shanku, I downloaded Main Line from the site you have mentioned, it is a
'section controller' type game - three lines - six trains represented by
a
moving colour spot from both ends of the 3 lines. There are point to
cross
over.
The idea is to allow the six trains to reach the other side without
colliding.
Yes - the game allows collisions ! This is step better than the Cat
train
software which is richer graphically but does not allow conflicts. This
game
is
around 2 Mb, but there is also a 19 MB game which has a promising name
like
3d
something or the other in the same download.com site. I do not have the
patience
or the guts to download such a large file on Indian telephone lines -
anyone
with a leased line / ISDN could please download this game and let us all
know
about the contents.Long time ago I had a really primitive game called PC
-RR
which used the ascii symbols like /, \, | etc to make a track of quite a
reasonable complexity which we could label as Gaziabad, Kalyan or
Kacheguda
and
get quite a cheap thrill moving dots representing the train. The Cat
train
is a
newer software based on the same idea and is in colour. The search for
the
loco
simulator software is very much on.

Apurva

>
>
> You know Annie, a kind of Rail Simulator (a train version of Flight
> Simulator) would be pretty neat. Not only to do the standard
driving/pulling
> freight stuff of other simulators, but to actually do things like
drive a
> passenger train on a real route, and pull into replicas of real
stations.
> I'd love to work on something like this - the key, of course, would be
an
> ultra-real 3d rail simulator engine - the rest could be built around
it.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne Ogborn [mailto:anniepoo@netmagic.email
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 1998 12:50 AM
> To: Apurva Bahadur; irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: India Rails
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > Gang,
> >
> > I want to know if there is a loco simulator software available,
where
the
> > player is the driver himself, he has to watch the speed limits, fuel
> balance
> > and signals. I know that there is hardly a challenge for a serious
gamer,
> but
> > there are thousands (millions ?) like me who do not want to drive a
> virtual
> > car/plane/speedboat etc but would gladly spend many many hours
working
> > trains. Give a choice of say a steam loco (press the F1 ten times to
tend
> and
> > coal the firebox, press F2 to open the injector, should you forget
to
open
> > the cylinder steam cocks before you start - you end up with a
cracked
> barrel
> > and the end of your driving career {the real steam walahs had to to
do
> this -
> > remove the condesate from the cold cylinder at startup - there were
many
> > areas in the steam loco operation that you had to remember, there
was no
> way
> > to prevent a mistake being made) , keep speed under control on the
down
> > gradient or you would derail the goods rake. One more choice (much
less
> > demanding ) is driving a diesel or electric.
> > I am not looking for a layout simulator like Cat train or a planning
game
> > like Empire builder but a noisy and fast loco simulator.
>
> Strange you should ask, Apurva -
> the reason I was browsing the train game web site wasn't idle
curiosity.
>
> I'm a software contractor, and I've worked for game companies before.
> I currently have a 60% time contract with a little startup, and I'm
> looking for something to do with the other 40%. I'm thinking of just
> such a simulator as a little business.
>
> You're riding 6000 HP of screaming AC power, now in dynamic braking.
The
> whine is
> barely muted by the supposedly sound isolating cab. Behind you is
another
> 14000 HP
> in the form of 3 convertible 90MAC's.
> Behind that, though you can't see much of it on these tight mountain
curves,
> is
> 114 aluminum gondolas of bituminous. Somewhere back there are 5 more
units
> in DP mode.
> YOu've struggled up Tennesee pass. Now all you have to do is get this
> 12,000 ton machine back down in one piece. Watch your slack action!
>
> Your assistant driver leans out the cab window to relay signals from
the
man
> on
> the ground. Carefully, don't want to jostle the passengers, you gently
back
> your
> WP onto the point of the Rajhdani. But you've got the easy part -
it's
the
> assistant driver who'se worried about the bad water, and watching the
glass
> for
> the first sign of foaming.
>
> 8^)
>
> If anybody knows of any programs even vaguely like this, good or bad,
I'd
> like
> to know about them.
>
> Annie

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Trains on IR!

Date: 22 Dec 1998 17:50:16 -0500


Yes, at Indian Railways official site
<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/">http://www.indianrailway.com/</A>

Another very good platform that itself provides links to the various
tables
<A HREF="http://trainweb.com/indiarail/ttable.htm">http://trainweb.com/indiarail/ttable.htm</A>

Info posted by Vivek
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/9770/index.html">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/9770/index.html</A>

these are the one that come to mind

If you require Konkan Railway detailed (and New Delhi/Mumbai-Roha &
Mangalore Trivandrum Abstract) Table you can visit my pages at

<A HREF="http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/index.html">http://www.cyberdezigns.com/konkanrail/index.html</A>


From: Anil Balchandani
>Is there an IR timetable available on the net?

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject:

Date: 22 Dec 1998 17:57:10 -0500


Dear Folks,
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