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From: Anurag Acharya <>

Subject: large files/pictures

Date: 17 Dec 1998 00:02:56 -0500



Hi Viraf&Sarosh: large picture files can rapidly fill up mailboxes. A
mailbox-friendly way would be to post the pictures on a web site and
to mail the URLs instead of attaching pictures themselves to
messages. The sequence sent today filled several people's mailboxes
and resulted in a rash of bounced messages coming back to me.

regards,
anurag

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Should have spoken up - images in email

Date: 17 Dec 1998 01:47:14 -0500


I wish I had. I'm sitting here trying to download too many megs of
pictures at
an inconvenient time so I can get other, important email it's clogging
up.

Some time ago we had a discussion about posting pictures on the list.
I thought the outcome of that was a concensus that we weren't going to
post images.

I've got web
space, I'm more than happy to post folks stuff on it, and then we can
all
look at it at our leisure, but please - no more images in email.

I'd be happy to post these images on a web page if people had trouble
seeing them, and
if Mr. Mehta agrees.

Can we modify the web IRFCA web page at

<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm</A>

so it has a request not to post binaries? Even better, can we add it to
the "welcome
to IRFCA" message people are sent when they subscribe?

I hate to confess, but I'm not sure who maintains the IRFCA list.

I know the images weren't posted maliciously, but we need to find a way
to ensure that
people understand what are and aren't acceptable ways to post their
pictures.

I notice we also had a political, off topic post. Perhaps we should add
that too?

8^/

Anyway, back to the trains!

Annie

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Should have spoken up - images in email

Date: 17 Dec 1998 03:31:11 -0500


On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Anne Ogborn wrote:

> I wish I had. I'm sitting here trying to download too many megs of
> pictures at
> an inconvenient time so I can get other, important email it's clogging
> up.
>
> Some time ago we had a discussion about posting pictures on the
list.
> I thought the outcome of that was a concensus that we weren't going to
> post images.
>
> I've got web
> space, I'm more than happy to post folks stuff on it, and then we can
> all
> look at it at our leisure, but please - no more images in email.
>
> I'd be happy to post these images on a web page if people had trouble
> seeing them, and
> if Mr. Mehta agrees.
>
> Can we modify the web IRFCA web page at
>
> <A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm</A>
>
> so it has a request not to post binaries? Even better, can we add it
to
> the "welcome
> to IRFCA" message people are sent when they subscribe?
>
> I hate to confess, but I'm not sure who maintains the IRFCA list.
>
> I know the images weren't posted maliciously, but we need to find a
way
> to ensure that
> people understand what are and aren't acceptable ways to post their
> pictures.
SSS>
> I notice we also had a political, off topic post. Perhaps we should
add
> that too?
>
> 8^/
>
> Anyway, back to the trains!
>
> Annie
>
>
Dear Annie,
I had posted the news this afternoon as a general message without any
intention of hurting anyone in the IRFCA, it was only for info sake and
the mail sent to me by Mr. Mills is most ridiculous. I only wanted to
share the news with my friends in India, who were not aware till this
afternoon. If it has reached people who havve felt bad then I am sorry,
and will see to it that this doesn't happen again. As for Mr. Mills he
owes me an explanation for such a nasty letter, to which I have replied
nastily.
Anyway sorry Mr. Mills, I am sorry for the chaos.
PORAS
Poras






PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: prakash <>

Subject: Re: Should have spoken up - images in email

Date: 17 Dec 1998 07:02:05 -0500






Annie,

It is unfair to say who manages IRFCA site. Anurag manages it and
he does a very good job. I am enclosing his posting that appeared
a few times describing how to subscribe or unsubscribe from IRFCA.
Unfortunately, many of us cared to save it.

Regarding images, may I suggest an alternative? Get e-mail ID from
yahoo, hotnail, netscape, or any other place on the web and subscribe
to IRFCA from that ID. This will prevent the situations when several
Mb of images block your normal e-mail.

Please accept my apology if I have offended anyone.

Prakash
=========================


Please respond to acha@cs.email @ internet

To: irfca@cs.email @ internet
cc:
Subject: IRFCA: please use irfca-request@cs.email for add/delete re



Folks: I would like to point out, once again, the existence of an
administrative address for the IRFCA mailing list. For add/delete
requests or requests for archives etc, please use
irfca-request@cs.email. Sending such requests to irfca@cs.email
broadcasts them to everyone.

cheers,
anurag




Anne Ogborn <anniepoo@netmagic.email on 12/17/98 01:47:14 AM

To: "irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
cc: (bcc: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM)
Subject: Should have spoken up - images in email





I wish I had. I'm sitting here trying to download too many megs of
pictures at
an inconvenient time so I can get other, important email it's clogging
up.

Some time ago we had a discussion about posting pictures on the list.
I thought the outcome of that was a concensus that we weren't going to
post images.

I've got web
space, I'm more than happy to post folks stuff on it, and then we can
all
look at it at our leisure, but please - no more images in email.

I'd be happy to post these images on a web page if people had trouble
seeing them, and
if Mr. Mehta agrees.

Can we modify the web IRFCA web page at

<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm</A>

so it has a request not to post binaries? Even better, can we add it to
the "welcome
to IRFCA" message people are sent when they subscribe?

I hate to confess, but I'm not sure who maintains the IRFCA list.

I know the images weren't posted maliciously, but we need to find a way
to ensure that
people understand what are and aren't acceptable ways to post their
pictures.

I notice we also had a political, off topic post. Perhaps we should add
that too?

8^/

Anyway, back to the trains!

Annie

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: News from Rediff

Date: 17 Dec 1998 07:05:48 -0500


Here is some info. about holiday specials: -Vijay
**********************************************************************
Are you wait-listed?
Western Railways will run eight special trains for the holiday season
between Bombay and New Delhi.
951 Dn will depart from Bombay on December 23, 26 and 30 and January 2
at
1400 hours and reach Hazrat Nizamuddin at 1415 hours on the following
day.
It will halt at Borivali, Valsad, Surat, Bharuch, Baroda, Godhra,
Ratlam,
Nagda, Kota, Sawai Madhopur, Bharatpur and Mathura. [Notable skips:
Dahod,
Gangapur City, Bayana]
In the return direction 952 Up will depart from Hazrat Nizamuddin on
December 24, 27 and 31 and January 3 at 2350 hours and reach Bombay
Central
at 2235 hours on the follwing day. It will halt at the same stations.
Bookings open from December 18.

Holidays specials!
Central Railways introduces some special trains between Bombay and
Howrah
and Bombay and Ernakulam and also extra coaches on eight other trains
for
the convenience of passengers travelling during the Christmas holidays
and
for the Sabarimala pilgrimage.
The 859 Dn Special from Bombay VT to Howrah will depart from Bombay at
2240
hours on December 11, 14, 18, 21, 25, 28 and January 1, 4, 8, 11 and
reach
Howrah at 1430 hours two days later via Dadar, Kalyan, Igatpuri, Nasik
Road,
Manmad, Bhusaval, Akola, Badnera, Wardha, Nagpur, Gondia, Durg, Raipur,
Bilaspur, Raigarh, Jharsuguda, Rourkela, Chakradharpur, Tatanagar,
Kharagpur, Howrah.
In the reverse direction 860 Up Special from Howrah to Bombay will
depart
from Howrah at 1635 hours on December 12, 16, 19, 23, 26, 30 and January
2,
6, 9, 13 and reach Bombay VT at 0800 hours two days later via the same
stations.
The 161 Dn Special from Bombay VT to Ernakulam will depart from Bombay
at
2330 hours on December 11, 18, 25 and January 1 and reach Ernakulam at
1505
hours two days later via Dadar, Kalyan, Pune, Daund, Solapur, Gulbarga,
Wadi, Raichur, Guntakal, Dharmavaram, Hindpur, Krisharajapuram,
Bangarpeth,
Tirupattur, Salem, Erode, Tiruppur, Coimbatore, Palghat, Shoranpur,
Trichur
and Alwaye.
In the reverse direction the 162 Up special from Ernakulam to Bombay VT
will
depart from Ernakulam 2355 hours on December 13, 20, 27 and January 3
and
reach Bombay at 1635 hours two days later via the same stations.
Central Railways will attach additional coaches on:
* 1027 Dn Dadar (T) - Gorakhpur Express from 18/12/98 to 05/01/99
* 1028 Up Gorakhpur - Dadar (T) Express from 20/12/98 to 07/01/99
* 1029 Dn Pune - Howrah Express from 11/12/98 to 03/01/99
* 1030 Up Howrah - Pune Express from 13/12/98 to 05/01/99
* 1031 Dn Pune - Varanasi Express from 15/12/98 to 05/01/99
* 1032 Up Varanasi - Pune Express from 17/12/98 to 07/01/99
* 1095 Dn Ahmedabad - Pune Express from 12/12/98 to 04/01/99
* 1096 Up Pune - Ahmedabad Express from 11/12/98 to 03/01/99
* 1077 Dn Pune - Jammu Tawi Express from 11/12/98 to 09/01/99
* 1078 Up Jammu Tawi - Pune Express from 13/12/98 to 11/01/99
* 2165 Dn Kurla (T) - Varanasi Express from 11/12/98 to 09/01/99
* 2166 Up Varanasi -Kurla (T) Express from 12/12/98 to 10/01/99
* 2133 Dn Mumbai CST - Lucknow Express from 19/12/98 to 03/01/99
* 2134 Up Lucknow - Mumbai (CST) Express from 20/12/98 to 04/01/99

* KR/0111 Mumbai CST - Madagaon Express from 11/12/98 to 05/01/99
* KR/0112 Madgaon - Mumbai CST Express from 12/12/8\98 to 06/01/99

An additional 72 berths in sleeper class, 64 berths in AC three tier and
46
berths in AC two tier in extra coaches will be added on the reservation
chart, when it is prepared, to accommodate the wait-listed passengers.
Therefore waitlisted passengers, even with high waitlist numbers, stand
a
good chance of getting confirmed reservations in the extra coaches
attached
to these trains.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation (Part - VI)

Date: 17 Dec 1998 08:03:55 -0500


Could you please refrain from posting huge picture files as attachments
to email messages on this list. Some of us are on the road a lot and
cannot afford/justify the telephone bills for downloading this stuff
while readin mail. Please post them at some website and advertize their
location.

Thanks for your consideration.

Jishnu.
--
Jishnu Mukerji

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: bogie

Date: 17 Dec 1998 08:38:12 -0500


One for the terminology file, this from February 61 Model Railroader

We think of the word "bogie" as the European name for truck but it
started with an American locomotive.
John B. Jervis, one of the most prominent of the engineers that designed
early railroads, added
a four-wheel truck to the design of one of his engines to help it get
around sharp curves, says
John R. Spears in Bulleting 30 of the Railway & Locomotive Historical
Society. The British,
who had much broader curves, laughted at the strange American
contraption and derisively called
it a "bogie", meaning bug-bear or scarecrow.

8^)

From: Don Dickens <>

Subject: Re: large files/pictures

Date: 17 Dec 1998 09:59:31 -0500


I second the motion. It took almost three hours to download my mail this
morning with the phone line totally tied up. I feel sorry for those who
are using their employers system for their personal e-mail. It could be
a serious situation
Don Dickens

From: Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya <>

Subject: Railways charging Amartya Sen for Special Coach.

Date: 17 Dec 1998 15:03:16 -0500


Nothing wrong about that. But I wish Railways had the sense to extend a
gesture to Amartya Sen.

Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
<A HREF="http://finance.commerce.ubc.ca/~bhatta">http://finance.commerce.ubc.ca/~bhatta</A>
"The lifestyle of the Indian elite is amazing...I've never seen
such opulence even in America"---Noam Chomsky in New Delhi in 1996


Sen's homecoming with a price
December 17: The Indian Nobel Laureate will have to pay a price for
his visit to Santiiniketan. Dr Sen is presently in West Bengal as a
state guest and will be felicitated by the government for his
outstanding achievement in winning the coveted Nobel prize for his
contribution to sphere of welfare economics. Dr Sen is scheduled to
visit Santiniketan, the place where he spent a greater part of his
childhood and has fond recollections of the time spent there.
Incidentally Sen was christened by Gurudev during his stay there.
Despite being a guest of honour the Indian Railways have decided to
charge Rs 20,000 for the coach that will take him down to Bolpur in
Santniketan from Calcutta later this week. Dr Sen will have to pay
detention charges as he intends to return to Calcutta in the same
compartment. The state government had earlier approached the Indian
Railways for a special coach.

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: My sincere apologies

Date: 17 Dec 1998 19:34:34 -0500


I have realised the enormous blunder that I have made by
inconveniencing my fellow members. Please accept my sincere apology.
This has been my first foray as well as a learning lesson in sending
pics.

However, thanks also for appreciating the pics.

Sarosh


======================
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M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
Wisdom dawns only after knowledge is gained

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: India Rails

Date: 17 Dec 1998 23:21:04 -0500


Mayfair games next release is going to be a game called
"India Rails", about building RRs in India.

these are the folks that make the "Empire Builder" series of
games.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Railways charging Amartya Sen for Special Coach.

Date: 18 Dec 1998 01:08:51 -0500


Nalinaksha,

I agree with you totally- the railways extends free travel (and
detention
of the coach) to all sorts of crummy politicians and their own
officials,
so why not Dr. Sen ? After all every one of us are looking for ways to
say
a special thank you to the great man who has made us so proud. One way
is
that the railways can make an really comfortable inspection saloon on
say a
regular train like Shantiniketan Exp (I do not have the TT at hand, but
there are regular day trains to that place) on the days that he wishes
to
travel. Look at it this way - he can always take road transportation to
Shantiniketan but he is patronizing the railways, so much that he wants
to
keep the coach to himself for a few days. So if the detention charges
are
too much, the railways should agree to set up an inspection saloon on
the
days he wants it. Or does he want to stay in the detained coach for the
night ??? I would love to do that, if I were in his place.
Can someone explain the structure of the Shantiniketan rail station
(Bolpur ?). Is there a VIP siding sort of thing, you find in a quiet,
clean
and wooded corner of a station ? One very beautiful VIP siding is in
Bhusawal.


Apurva

Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya wrote:

> Nothing wrong about that. But I wish Railways had the sense to extend
a
> gesture to Amartya Sen.
>
> Nalinaksha Bhattacharyya
> <A HREF="http://finance.commerce.ubc.ca/~bhatta">http://finance.commerce.ubc.ca/~bhatta</A>
> "The lifestyle of the Indian elite is amazing...I've never seen
> such opulence even in America"---Noam Chomsky in New Delhi in 1996
>
>
> Sen's homecoming with a price
> December 17: The Indian Nobel Laureate will have to pay a price for
> his visit to Santiiniketan. Dr Sen is presently in West Bengal as a
> state guest and will be felicitated by the government for his
> outstanding achievement in winning the coveted Nobel prize for his
> contribution to sphere of welfare economics. Dr Sen is scheduled to
> visit Santiniketan, the place where he spent a greater part of his
> childhood and has fond recollections of the time spent there.
> Incidentally Sen was christened by Gurudev during his stay there.
> Despite being a guest of honour the Indian Railways have decided to
> charge Rs 20,000 for the coach that will take him down to Bolpur in
> Santniketan from Calcutta later this week. Dr Sen will have to pay
> detention charges as he intends to return to Calcutta in the same
> compartment. The state government had earlier approached the Indian
> Railways for a special coach.

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: WDM 2 HEADED TRAINS

Date: 18 Dec 1998 01:18:22 -0500


Hi Gang,
After a lull I am back, yesterday evening I detrained my self at
Borivali,
and saw the 2472 up Swaraj express ( note it was not 2472 dn and was
heading away from Jammu tawi its home ) with a WDM2 heading the train.
it
was from Ratlam shed and had the Raj livelry. Maybe I thought that
there
were no spare WCAM 2P loco at Baroda ! but this morning whilst going to
work, I was surprised to see the 2904 up (this train was heading to its
base at BCT) the train was headed by a Vatwa loco. Seems that WR is
again
resorting back to these mighty JUMBOS, and the WCAM2p are running out of
steam or else they are falling short. Earlier whilst going to town side
I
saw the 2926 Up Paschim with a Diesel loco.

Someone might be knowing in the gang why this is happening. Earlier I
had
asked the members to please give me details of WAP 1 2 3 4 5 6 9 WHAT
IS
THE DIFF BETWEEN THESE LOCOS.

The Khanna tragedy and the subsequent inquiry held, the same insane
excuse
seems to have ccome from the inquiry commission. Seems the mandarins at
Rail Bhavan will Never Improve. Its a pity that these people run one of
the prized possessions of India its Railways. The Ahmedabad Shatabdi
has
more than 6 coaches of AK Rajdhani express as its Chair Cars and the
generator car ! Moreover Ak Raj has 3 or 4 Shatabdi livered coaches.
Do
these Mandarins have any aesthetic values ? Seems they never had, have
or
will !!! They have even spoilt the Karnavati Express livelry and added
3
or 4 rust brown coaches. If they are going to do this then why have
livelry coaches at all ?/run rust brown coaches. The Howrah Ac Super
Deluxe is also not yet been introduced, even though the next Budget is
round the corner. They will again introduce new trains and the trains
will
see light of the day by 2000 AD.

No other organisation works like IR and yet it has so many friends
across
the globe, including my friend Mr. Mills who finds these mails to long
and
occupy his disk space and force people like my friend Sarosh Bakhtyar
Mehta to unsubscribe.

Wonderful Railways and Even more Wonderful People.



PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: GOODWIN ALCO <>

Subject: Re: large files/pictures

Date: 18 Dec 1998 03:19:19 -0500


Anurag Acharya wrote:
>
> Hi Viraf&Sarosh: large picture files can rapidly fill up mailboxes. A
> mailbox-friendly way would be to post the pictures on a web site and
> to mail the URLs instead of attaching pictures themselves to
> messages. The sequence sent today filled several people's mailboxes
> and resulted in a rash of bounced messages coming back to me.
>
> regards,
> anurag

These messages also take a huge amount of time to get, thus costing huge
amounts of Net time.
Brad

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: WDM 2 HEADED TRAINS

Date: 18 Dec 1998 07:25:37 -0500




"poras p.saklatwalla" wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> After a lull I am back, yesterday evening I detrained my self at
Borivali,
> and saw the 2472 up Swaraj express ( note it was not 2472 dn and was
> heading away from Jammu tawi its home ) with a WDM2 heading the train.

Porus, there cannot be two trains named 2472, all trains heading towards
MCT are Up
trains. The Swaraj express heading away from MCT is 2471 Dn. Afterall
that is the
logic of the unique four number system. Before the unique numbers very
often you would
have two trains like '1 down' standing on the same station and that
would be
confusing. This is the classic case quoted by the railway gang for
reasoning the
unique numbering system, although I am not sure if I can give a concrete
example from
the timetable.

> it
> was from Ratlam shed and had the Raj livelry. Maybe I thought that
there
> were no spare WCAM 2P loco at Baroda ! but this morning whilst going
to
> work, I was surprised to see the 2904 up (this train was heading to
its
> base at BCT) the train was headed by a Vatwa loco. Seems that WR is
again
> resorting back to these mighty JUMBOS, and the WCAM2p are running out
of
> steam or else they are falling short. Earlier whilst going to town
side I
> saw the 2926 Up Paschim with a Diesel loco.

It must be temporary fall in the output of the substation - there was a
period in the
1980s when the substation capacity in the Bhore ghats was being upgraded
or new
substations were being constructed, during that period all the banking
work was done
by coupled WDM 2s. That was a grand site - upto three WDM 2s banking a
train at full
throttle with both the drivers wearing their reversed cap (peak facing
backwards)
leaning into the wind.

Our good friend, a now retired ghat driver was once sent from Karjat on
the Khopoli
line to rescue the Khopoli Karjat shuttle whose WDS 4 loco had failed.
So a triple
headed WDM 2 coupled powerhouse hauled in the three coach and its dead
loco with
hardly a nudge of the throttle.

The WDM 2 was the favourite of the Ghat drivers due to its extremely
flexible power
handling characteristics. All the ghat driver had to do was to open the
throttle and
watch the brake pipe pressure gauge. His assistant would watch the
signals and the
train would take off. The WCG 2 that are normally used a bankers require
a huge number
of operations, with its vernier notches and complex motor combinations.
One more
factor that has to watched in the WCG 2 is the line voltage and the time
the loco cans
spend in transitional notches such as series and series parallel where
the current
limiting resistors could burn out. The WDM 2 is quite a silent loco as
compared to the
screaming WCG 2 and that a very welcome relief to the ghat drivers.
However the WDM 2
suffered from severe fuel and oil consumption along with overheating
problems and
hence were eventually replaced by WCG 2s once the substation work was
complete. I was
told by the complaining Pune shed gang (who homed the locos) that these
banker WDM2s
were often running in the '1 hour only rating' and that lead to a
drastic reduction in
the service life. As the WDM 2s were really thrashed in the 1:30 slope,
28 Kms long
ghats - you could tell the really oily, dusty but proud WDM 2 bankers
from their
relatively cleaner main line cousins. I still hear the triple WDM 2s
pushing a heavy
train slowly up the ghats, with its echoes blasting from the steep
mountain walls.

> No other organisation works like IR and yet it has so many friends
across
> the globe, including my friend Mr. Mills who finds these mails to long
and
> occupy his disk space and force people like my friend Sarosh Bakhtyar
> Mehta to unsubscribe.

I am sure what Donald Mills meant was that the images by mail would clog
the mail box
and that is not really done on a mailing list.
The normal 'punishment' for members of a mailing list who cause a
breakdown of the
system is suspension. It has taken all the 100 or so members over 3
hours each to
download pictures which could have been easily seen off a website. I
know that this
problem was caused by ignorance rather than by any malicious intent.
Anyway the flip
side of the story is that now I know how a 'data bomb' feels like. On
the positive
side, I have all the pictures from Sarosh, his notes and the HTML of the
story, hence
I will soon make a webpage where all of this would be available. Prakash
Tendulkar has
done me good turn to make a website for me, when I knew nothing about
HTML, and I
feel now that I know something, I should help Sarosh and Viraf to make
their webpage.

Apurva

From: Anurag Acharya <>

Subject: Re: Should have spoken up - images in email

Date: 18 Dec 1998 07:58:21 -0500



Hi Anne: I will add the "no binaries" note to the welcome message. It
is not clear if that will help..... People tend to forget. But I will
do it.

BTW, my mailbox has been flooded by *bounced* copies of the images.
Please folks, no images.

anurag

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: [Fwd: Anil's trip to india

Date: 18 Dec 1998 08:50:49 -0500


Gang,

Can the timetable worms (like Vijay, Kumar etc) tell Anil if this is a
good plan.

Delhi - Chandigadh - Kulu (by bus)- Delhi - Bangalore - Cochin - Chennai
- Pondicherry - Bangalore - Hyderabad - Hubli - Pune - Mumbai. I think
it sounds okay, except that he has to book well ahead to get any seats
at all.

My suggestions :

Delhi Chandigadh by Shatabdi, then to go to Shimla rather than Kulu
Manali (more railways rather than bus - the view is same - same trees
and general backdrops, I can add by the virtue of being a railway nut -
for me the highlight of any town is its railway station, the outside
holds little interest to me - (Kulu has no railway station - so there !)
so Shimla by say Shivalik Express, Delhi - Bangalore by Rajdhani or
Karnataka Express. I do not have the SR tt with me but perhaps the
others can fill in the gaps and contribute to the itinerary. There is
no
train from Hyderabad to Hubli direct. Hubli Pune is Goa Express. Go
through his mail below for details.

Apurva

Anil Balchandani wrote:

> Hi,
> This is my itenary and plan.
> I arrive into Delhi on Dec 29 and leave from Bombay on Feb 1.
>
> I have arranged with my relatives 4 major cities to form 'nodes' or
bases at.
> These are Delhi(3 days), Chandighar (2days), Banglore(2weeks) and
Bombay(1 week). (in this order)
>
> I would like to travel by train for the most part, to travel during
the day so as to see the country and experience the country side. I am
willing to fly when necessary or when it is very inconvenient to take a
train.
>
> I need your assistance in helping me plan what trains to take (ie, the
nicer/scenic ones, as there are usually more than one type of service
for a particular route) and to give me some practical suggestions on how
to piece the train journeys together as you are located in India.
>
> I have a slight handicap; I cannot run, squat or do much that requires
leg power. I just had my knee operated and am on a slow recovery
process. But I am determined to make this trip happen.
>
> Here is my stab at a plan.
> I arrive in Delhi (relatives), spend a few days and take the train to
Chandighar (friends).
> Stay a day and take the train/bus to Kulu/Minali (sightseeing).
> Stay (a day?) and return to Chandighar and then to Delhi.
> If I can, I would like to take the train to Banglore (relatives), if
it is a feasable ride, with stops included.
> Stay a day or two and then hit the South of India (sightseeing) via
train. First to Kerala (Kochin), then to Madras (and surrounding), then
to French Pondicherry). I don't wish to stay in these cities for a day,
but I would like to visit them.
> I return to Banglore and then:
> If time permits I would like to go through Hyderabad (sightseeing).
> Eventually go to Hubli (relatives) (1 day) and then to Pune
(relatives) (1 day), and then to Bombay (relatives).
>
> Please tell me if this is feasable. I might have not expressed it
well and I might be over exaggerating my plan. I can cut of the small
tours in and around the 'nodes' if the train schedules are not
practical.
>
> Awaiting your reply.
>
> Anil Balchandani
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Different meanings

Date: 18 Dec 1998 08:59:12 -0500


Gang !

Here is an anecdote that was told to me by good friend Dr. Shirish Yande
- The Yande
family was watching TV with a scene where young lovers were embracing or
whatever. As
Mrs. Yande was looking at the lovers, good Dr. was looking at the half
buried rails in
the ground while his little daughter Rujuta was looking at a bird ! To
each his own.
It happens all the time to us, we railnuts watch the TV with a totally
twisted view.
The Doordarshan Bengali channel is a rich source of railshots while the
protagonists
sing songs or fight in the foreground.

Apurva

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: India Rails

Date: 18 Dec 1998 11:31:59 -0500


Is this going to be just another variant extension (that come in one of
those tube shaped packages) to the Empire Builder game? No offense, but
I
find the "freight-only" theme of Empire Builder to be somewhat dull - at
some point, it becomes something of a Monopoly on rails - and the
variant
model seems to do little but change maps, names, currency, and commodity
types.

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Ogborn [mailto:anniepoo@netmagic.email
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:21 PM
To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: India Rails


Mayfair games next release is going to be a game called
"India Rails", about building RRs in India.

these are the folks that make the "Empire Builder" series of
games.

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Thank you for your support

Date: 18 Dec 1998 19:22:39 -0500


Yesterday was a real bummer day for Viraf and myself. Over-exuberance
lead us to put others at a loss. Well, anyway, when we read today's
mail from a few of you lifted our spirits. We appreciate your support
and also the helpful tips that we recd from Annie, Anurag, Apoorva
and Prakash. Prakash and Apoorva, we are very grateful to you both
for going a step (in fact, quite few steps!) further and creating a
temp website for us. Well, we have many, many photos of steam in
action, some of them in b&w. Wait! we won't send them as attachment.

Who actually saw the pics that we sent?
----------
Viraf and Sarosh

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