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From: Bharat Vohra <>

Subject: Re: Great Journeys: pictorial presentation

Date: 16 Dec 1998 07:27:09 -0500


Hi Sarosh,
Have recd three of your mails..the same mail sent again ie..but none of
them seem to have the attatchment??
I am dying to see the pics...can u please send the attatchment again?

Regards,
Bharat Vohra

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From: Bharat Vohra <>

Subject: New page on Mhow......

Date: 16 Dec 1998 07:37:05 -0500


Hi All,
Here is another page on our site,'railinindia'....Siddharth and my Jan
trip to Mhow..do check it out and get back to me about it!

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/mhow.html">http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/mhow.html</A>

Regards,
Bharat Vohra

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From: Bharat Vohra <>

Subject: WDM2 at BCT!!!!

Date: 16 Dec 1998 07:41:35 -0500


Hi All!
Saw to my delight a WDM2 hauled 17 coach train leaving BCT today at
13:40 pm!! It was an airbraked train with predominantly sitting coaches
and for a moment I thought they had changed the Karnavati rake (since
Karnavati leaves at the same time!) to the standard rust colour
stock...but then I also realised that it was Wednesday, the day
Karnavati does not run!! It was actually a holiday special train and the

power was from Vatwa shed, No.17513. A gorgeous sight it made and
reminded me of the Raj diesel days!!
Regards,
Bharat Vohra

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: New page on Mhow......

Date: 16 Dec 1998 07:47:51 -0500


Bharat - What great pictures - Bigger format please and possibly do not
soften the
edges. It is unfair - these pics cannot be used as wallpapers. Please
make all the
pics available on another website in the larger format (atleast 640X480X
100 DPI).


Apurva

Bharat Vohra wrote:

> Hi All,
> Here is another page on our site,'railinindia'....Siddharth and my Jan
> trip to Mhow..do check it out and get back to me about it!
>
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/mhow.html">http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/mhow.html</A>
>
> Regards,
> Bharat Vohra
>
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From: TUSHAR.H.MALANI <>

Subject: delisting from e-mail list

Date: 16 Dec 1998 07:49:07 -0500


Dear friends,

please remove my name from the mailing list as I am now shifting my
residence and I will not be able to access the internet from there at
present. I will join you all as soon as I get the access. I had a nice
time reading your messages which have given me a lot of knowledge
regarding the railways

Thank you all

Regards


B.R.Malani

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Iranian Railways Query

Date: 16 Dec 1998 08:18:41 -0500


VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jayant S wrote:
>
> > <A HREF="http://www.msedv.com/rai/freight.html">http://www.msedv.com/rai/freight.html</A>
> >
> > Says here that Iraninan Railways interchange
> > freight stock with India. Does anyone have
> > more info ?
> >
> > Jayant S
> > --
> >
>
> Might be before Independence when Pakistan was with India. There is a
NG
> line across the Iranian/Pakistan border.

The line to Zahedan in Iran from Quetta used to be a BG line. When did
they change it to NG?

BTW, for a while Iran has been working on extending the Teheran - Kerman
line to Zahedan. Last info I have is that it had been extended upto a
place called Bam(?) about half way, and work was progressing towards
Zahedan. This line of course is Standard Guage (4'8.5"). So even when
this is completed, there will be a gauge break at Zahedan. Also the last
info I have is that the segment of BG line in Iran is operated by
Pakistan Railway on behalf of Rah-e-Ahan Iran, and there is infrequent
and spotty service on the line.

All this is from memory. I will verify the accuracy thereof over the
coming weekend, and if there is any major discrepancy, post another
message here with corrections.

Regards,

--
Jishnu Mukerji

From: prakash <>

Subject: Iranian Railways Query

Date: 16 Dec 1998 11:55:55 -0500




Jishnu,

You are correct on both the issues. The track from Iranian station
of Zahedan that heads eastward on the main lines of Pakistan is (or
was) BG and is operated by Pakistan Western Railways. The journey
between Zarand and Zahedan was covered by bus (in the past).

Paul Theraux writes in his book, "The Great Railway Bazaar", that
he was advised by consular officer against taking this trip as
planned (by author) due to problems created by Balochi tribesmen.
This book was first published in 1975 and things may have changed
(for good or for bad) since then.

So Poras and Viraf, talk to some knowledgeable source before you
start this adventure. I've never been to Pakistan so I cannot comment.

Prakash

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Iranian Railways Query

Date: 16 Dec 1998 18:22:34 -0500


>
> The line to Zahedan in Iran from Quetta used to be a BG line. When did
> they change it to NG?

SORRY I was always under the impression that it was NG.

> All this is from memory. I will verify the accuracy thereof over the
> coming weekend, and if there is any major discrepancy, post another
> message here with corrections.

Yes I too will dig into my books and keep you posted.

==========================
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C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: Iranian Railways Query

Date: 16 Dec 1998 20:11:18 -0500


Could it be the containers?

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation

Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:10:00 -0500


A thousand apologies to one and all but this is what happens when one
dabbles in things 'alien'. I have gone thru the mails of Apoorva and
Shanku. Thanks for the tips, guys. Am now trying a new way out,
initially, locally and if it succeeds you will see the railways thru
the eyes of Viraf and myself. SO PLEASE BEAR TILL THEN.

Sarosh

======================
Sarosh Bakhtyar Mehta
M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
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From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation - (Part-I)

Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:45:36 -0500


ok, because the files are large, i am sending them in batches of 2.
we have tv serials, now we have (?) serials.

1. This is at Lusadiya where our loco YP 2813 developed some
snags. The crew is trying to fix things right. (visa2.bmp)
2. We have just left the station at Padla when disaster strikes. The
loco has burst the steam pipes above the firebox and is now cooling
off. (visa1.bmp)
======================
Sarosh Bakhtyar Mehta
M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
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From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation (Part-II)

Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:53:27 -0500


3. The loco is now dead( as a dodo), totally cold, so our Virafbhai,
clambers on top of the leading coach to have a better look(?)
(visa3.bmp)

4. Help arrives in the form of YDM2 6478. We are at the rear of our
train (86 Pass.) and the diesel loco is passing thru the outcropping.
(visa4.bmp)

======================
Sarosh Bakhtyar Mehta
M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
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From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation (Part-III)

Date: 16 Dec 1998 22:00:41 -0500


I am becoming bolder, 2msgs-4 pics already sent! recd? more...

5. We are now seeing the YDM2 in the process of being linked to our
train's rear. That means we shall now be on our way to Udaipur.
(visa5.bmp)

6. The next halt at Zawar, YDM2 is now proceeding towards its next
task. (visa6.bmp) The time is 6.30 p.m. camera aperture at maximum
and shutter speed at 30!

======================
Sarosh Bakhtyar Mehta
M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
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From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation (Part-IV)

Date: 16 Dec 1998 22:06:07 -0500


so far so good......

7. YP 2813 now delinked from 86 Pass. and about to be hauled away to
a siding. It was a great loss! (visa7.bmp)

8. A scene from Rana Pratapnagar Loco Shed. (visa8.bmp)

======================
Sarosh Bakhtyar Mehta
M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Iranian Railways Query

Date: 16 Dec 1998 22:06:36 -0500




VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jayant S wrote:
>
> > <A HREF="http://www.msedv.com/rai/freight.html">http://www.msedv.com/rai/freight.html</A>
> >
> > Says here that Iraninan Railways interchange
> > freight stock with India. Does anyone have
> > more info ?
> >
> > Jayant S
> > --
> >
>
> Might be before Independence when Pakistan was with India. There is a
NG
> line across the Iranian/Pakistan border.
>

Here's what it says:

Broad Gauge freight trains from Indian subcontinent and Pakistan join
Iran
over Mirjaveh border ending up in Zahedan.

More likely, they mean Pakistan by "Indian subcontinent". But it's sure
a
tempting thought!
Now, if only Iran would build a line between Shur Gaz and Zahedan, and
if we
all could learn to get along..
we could ride a train from UK to Bangladesh.

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation (Part-V)

Date: 16 Dec 1998 22:10:54 -0500


9. At Rana Pratapnagar Loco Shed. Some of the YPs were without the
smoke deflectors so don't mistake them for a YG. (visa9.bmp)

10. Yet one more at the R.P'nagar Loco Shed. (visa10.bmp)

======================
Sarosh Bakhtyar Mehta
M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
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From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Great Journeys: Pictorial Presentation (Part - VI)

Date: 16 Dec 1998 22:20:02 -0500


And now for the last batch!........

11. Yet one more from Rana Pratapnagar Loco Shed. A steam lover's
delight! The Staff were excited and definitely co-operative!
(visa11.bmp)

12. The ultimate one! A YDM2, carrying freight, poses just outside
the historic gate of Debari Fort. Everything was right but the
timing! (visa12.bmp)

Hope you have got it all (12 pics).

Viraf and Sarosh

======================
Sarosh Bakhtyar Mehta
M/s. Godrej & Boyce Mfg.Co.Ltd.
Machine Tool Division
Pirojshanagar, Vikhroli,
MUMBAI 400 079
INDIA
Tel:(Office) 577 3535 / 577 3636 Extn: 3917/3907/3909
Tel:(Residence) 389 3150
Fax:(Office) 91 22 517 2229 / 91 22 518 2289
Email sarosh@godrej.email
=======================
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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: it's broad gage

Date: 16 Dec 1998 22:26:06 -0500


This from the Iranian rail site (in tiny type in an obscure place):

Mirjaveh-Zanjan
92 km long
built 1920
1676mm gage (5'-6")
diesel traction
broad
gauge of indian subcontinent

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE

Date: 16 Dec 1998 22:51:46 -0500


Iraq has been attacked by US and allied forces at 1.00 am local time and
3.30 IST. Thus with this US President Bill Clinton manages to divert
attention from his impeachment and begins Operation Desert Fox.

More news will follow.
PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Water in the boiler

Date: 16 Dec 1998 23:57:37 -0500


Signs of the times.......diesel takes
over Mhow!! A
Sabarmati YDM4,
No.6235 shunts the
'live' YP to its
coaling siding!!
This move baffled
both of us
completely....although I
must admit it was a
joy to watch the
two locos together
shunting up and
down! The YDM4 had
worked in a
cement frieght that
very morning and
had a ly-over of a
few hours at
Mhow. Due to the
absence of the
regular Mhow
shunting power this
YDM4 was put into
use to perform
manouveres at the
shed! The YP was
without any crew and
that could be a
possible reason for
employing another
loco to place it on
the coaling line!!

Is it possible they moved the steamer with the diesel because of the
water level
in the boiler? If they banked the fire on the steamer (likely if they
were waiting),
then perhaps they didn't want to use up the steam in the boiler, as that
would have
lowered the water level. Then, for safety, they'd have to put more water
in, which
would take a LOT of steam, so they'd have to run the blower and burn
coal to
get it back up?

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