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From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: Let us do the Up & Down discussion once again

Date: 10 Dec 1998 09:10:30 -0500




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jishnu Mukerji [mailto:jis@fpk.email
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:02 PM
> To: Balasubramanian, Vijay
> Cc: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: Let us do the Up & Down discussion once again
>
>
> Balasubramanian, Vijay wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > The Up/Dn. designation for trunk lines connecting the four
> > metropolitan
> > cities is fairly clear. All trains depart from Mumbai/Chennai as Dn
> > trains
> > and arrive as Up trains. All trains arriving at Howrah/Sealdah from
> > the
> > three trunk lines are Dn trains. Trains leaving Delhi towards
> > Mumbai/Chennai are Dn trains and towards Howrah are Up trains.
>
> Unless something has changed very recently, trains leaving from Delhi
> towards Howrah are Down trains not Up trains. If this has
> indeed changed
> I would be curious to know when this change occured.
>
A careless mistake on my part. Delhi to Mumbai/Chennai is Up and
towards
Howrah is Dn.

Vijay

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: Its Smaller Than You Think (Lekhapani-Okha)

Date: 10 Dec 1998 10:39:51 -0500


Here are some suggestions/requests to have a shorter route:

...
...
...
> DARAGANJ(820) ALLAHABAD CITY(825) ALLAHABAD(827) SIRATHU(884)
> FATEHPUR(944) KANPUR CENTRAL(1020) KALPI(1034) ORAI(1071) AIT(1100)
> PARICHA(1166) JHANSI(1189) BABINA(1214) BASAI(1226) R BETWA 3(1231)

Correction: Kanpur Central-Jhansi is 220 km. and not 169 km.
Allahabad-Manikpur-Banda-Harpalpur-Jhansi (395 km) is shorter than
Allahabad-Kanpur Central-Jhansi (413 km). With this change, the figure
for
Jhansi increases to 1222. So, add 33 km. to your total distance - L-O
becomes 3577 km.

> VIRAMGAM(0) SURENDRANAGAR(65) THAN(113) WANKANER(139) RAJKOT(181)
> HADMATIYA(217) HAPA(257) NEW JAMNAGAR(262) KANALUS(267)
> KHAMBALIYA(295)
> DWARKA(379) OKHA(408)

Jamnagar to Kanalus is 26 km. So add 21 km. to your figures for
Kanalus,
Khambaliya, Dwarka and Okha. So, L-O becomes 3598 km.

Note that Naliya is the westermost station in India and not Okha. So, I
checked the Viramgam-Gandhidham-Bhuj-Naliya route - the distance is
about
355 km., nearly 80 km. less than Viramgam-Okha.

One request: include Mithapur in your database of stations, since my
Better
Half is from that place :-) Mithapur is between Dwarka and Okha and is
10
km. south of Okha.


Few other requests (towards reducing the L-O distance):

Can you use your software to compare the following distances-

1. Mughalsarai-Chunar-Chopan-Singrauli-Katni-Damoh-Sagar-Bina vs
Mughalsarai-Varanasi-Allahabad-Manikpur-Jhansi-Bina

2. Barauni-Kiul-Gaya-Dehrionsone-Garwa Rd.-Singrauli vs
Barauni-Mokama-Patna-Mughalsarai-Chunar-Chopan-Singrauli


Vijay

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: Let us do the Up & Down discussion once again

Date: 10 Dec 1998 11:24:00 -0500


>
> Why was the new numbering system adopted to begin with if everyone
> was going to stick to using Up/Dn ? In any case, I doubt that anyone
> remembers train #s or Up/Dn - they just use the train name like
> Kalka Mail or Frontier Mail. I think Up/Dn are only used by railway
> wallahs
> and that too most often by people directly in charge of
> traffic such as
> the people up in the control room at a station.
>
> Madhav
>
>
The new numbering system was adopted (in the mid-80s) in conjunction
with
computerization of reservations so that every train would have a unique
4-digit number. The last two digits of existing trains were retained
in
the new numbering system. We have already discussed the significance of
the
first two digits.

Vijay

From: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <>

Subject: Re: MG chopper couplers

Date: 10 Dec 1998 15:51:13 -0500


Apurva,
You might like to point Kevin in the direction of my posting of
19th
October last, re choppers on MG and NG. Here it is, lightly edited to
remove
anachronisms. The drawings are still on my site, but I plan to remove
them
soon.

19/10/98:--
When MG was introduced to India in the 1860s, the chosen coupler was
the "chopper" or "Norwegian" type. The earliest versions of these had
very
light cast bodies and amazing hooks that were long thin, and very hooked
--
quite Victorian!
The problem with these early couplers was that the hook could and
did
jump out when conditions were right -- generally after the couplers
closed
up under decleration and the slack gathered up -- resulted in trains
parting.
The initial solution was to supply a loop of the female coupler
body
which could be folded over the top of the hook so as to stop it jumping
out.
Some NG lines without AVB also have this feature. The wire lashing
someone
observed was presumably a do-it-yourself attempt to solve the same
problem!
During the 1880s, an engineer called Jones (I think working for
the
Rajputana-Malwa Railway [RMR] at the time invented a screw verison of
the
chopper coupler. Jones' patent involves a modified hook shape with a
distinct recess for the bar with which the hook engages. The female
coupler
has an adjustable bar, which is tensioned, once coupled, by the
tightening
of a screw beside the coupler body. The effect was exactly similar to
the
use of screw couplings in BG: the buffers were brought firmly into
contact,
eliminating slack, and ensuring that all buffing shocks were absorbed by
the
buffer springing.
The Jones coupler was universally adopted on MG in India, and was
also taken up by many NG lines. Some NG lines stuck with the more
primitive
type, but I think I am right in saying that the Jones type was used
wherever
vacuum brake (AVB) was fitted. Some lines (mostly associated with the
GIPR)
instead had the ABC patent coupler, which used a horizontal loop
engaging
with a rotary catch. These can still be seen on lines such as
Achalpur-Yavatmal, Arvi-Pulgaon, and Pachora-Jamner.
The Conference rules (issued as a series of small booklets) have
details of these and similar equipment. There is a scan
of the IRS Jones-type couplers on my Web page this week. (See
<A HREF="http://www.powerup.com.au/~kjw_meh)">http://www.powerup.com.au/~kjw_meh)</A>

Nice to know we have someone in Malaya.
Ken Walker



-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email Kelvin Lee <kelvinl@sembcorp.email
Date: Thursday, 10 December 1998 9:18
Subject: [Fwd: METER GUAGE ACTION AT MIRAJ]


>Gang ! Please contribute to fellow railnut's quest on the MG couplers.
>Kelvin, the surplus Indian YDM 4s were recently exported to Malayasia
>with the same MG 'chopper' type coupler.
>
>Apurva
>
>Kelvin Lee wrote:
>
>> Dear Sir
>>
>> Thank you very much for your excellent website and your lovely
pictures
of the meter gauge YP and YG steam locomotives. These engines remind of
the
trains in the Malayan Railway System I used to watch with fascination
when I
was a little child. We use meter gauge here in Singapore/Malaysia and
there
is still one old steam engine in active service as a tourist atrraction.
>>
>> May I ask you a few simple questions please. What is the name of the
type of couplers used on the YG engines? They were used on the
Malaysian
trains until recently when they converted to the US-style "knuckle"
couplers. In the United Kingdom and Europe a chain link coupling is
used.
>>
>> What are these couplers in your pictures called? They are also used
on
the Indian Railways diesel engines too. Pardon my ignorance but could
you
describe briefly how they work? What are the different parts called? As
there are no buffers on these engines, are these couplers also sprung
and
acting as buffers? Is there a lock to keep the "hook" raised and does
the
raised "hook" press down on the one holding the carraiges to prevent it
from
popping off when the trains goes over a hill? Would you have any
pictures
or diagrams you can send me of these couplers in action?
>>
>> I will be ever so grateful if you could kindly enlighten me in this
matter.
>>
>> Many, many thanks in advance.
>>
>> Your fellow-railfan
>>
>> KELVIN
>
>

From: L Webber <>

Subject: Ultimate Indian Railways Simulator!

Date: 10 Dec 1998 16:12:49 -0500


Hello friends!

At various times Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

>Maurya Exp. doesn't even come close to Katihar but according to the
online
>TT, the Maurya Exp. goes all the way to Katihar from Samastipur and
then
>backs up to Barauni.
>I do have the NE TT on-hand but this <BAGAHA-KAPTANGANJ 503> is way
beyond the actual distance.

Please refer to my post of a day ago (THE GAP...) - perhaps it has been
slow getting to your mail server, Vijay. I gave the reasons for both of

these already there. Can anyone pl post to irfca the corrections to the

web-TT for the Maurya for these stops, please, as well as the
Chhitauni-ValmikinagarRd (the link which shows as missing in my Tts)
distance?

>Some of your figures are due to incorrect distances:

Definitely, though most are to do with the TAAG showing a train covering

a substantial distance in (say) 2 minutes :))

My guessed distances are listed at the bottom of this post. Please
start THERE, else it goes round in circles (sometimes literally!).
Giving me a good AE distance is less helpful when AB,BC,CD, & DE were
really needed (as B,C or D were junctions) - the list at the bottom is
what is really needed.

>Pune-Lonavala is 64 km.

Whoops!

>You missed a 3 at the end. Mughalsarai-Gaya is 203 km.

Got snipped on cut/paste.. actual database OK, else all routes would be
way wrong.

>Sawantwadi-Madgaon is 78 km.

Thanks. Please, all the detailed Konkan distances - see the table below
for needs!
Mapusa Road, Khed, Veer etc.

>Gudur-Egmore is around 90 km.

Errrm, no. Unless non-Euclidean geometry is involved, as the point to
point across the earth's surface is >110kms and a tunnel would not
reduce it that much ;). I estimate it at 140kms trackage. But, please,

anyone.. where does the Egmore track join up with the C.Central track
heading north to Gudur? I've assumed it is near Ennore.

>Here are some suggestions/requests to have a shorter route:
>Correction: Kanpur Central-Jhansi is 220 km. and not 169 km.

Well spotted. Thanks. Error arose when I included the bridge over
Yamuna (#8).

>Allahabad-Manikpur-Banda-Harpalpur-Jhansi (395 km) is shorter than
>Allahabad-Kanpur Central-Jhansi (413 km). With this change, the figure

for
>Jhansi increases to 1222. So, add 33 km. to your total distance - L-O
>becomes 3577 km.

Revised NS v EW stuff will be posted soon, incorporating all changes.

>Fascinating stuff. How is the input to your program organized? Is it
a
>matrix of stations with the values being the distances between them?
Which
>timetables did you use for the data?

The database is in three parts. One, station's grid positions (real
map);
two is interstation track length (from TAAG, bradhaws, local TTs and rly

maps with
distance meters) and third is timetables (from TAAG, the
semi-random web info, etc.). For station read interesting point on rly.
In part 2 of database, if ABCDE is a route, all that is stored is
trackages
AB.BC,CD,DE only and NOT AE etc. Programs worked out shortest on basis
of AI
etc., also using vector info from part one (else it would take a year to

work
out KK-JT !!) and error-learning. The program is quite smart. On a
Pentium 200MMX, takes under
1 sec to work out shortest Mumbai-Delhi route (of course NOT the main
one ;) ).

>Jamnagar to Kanalus is 26 km. So <snipped>

Sure, but the shortest route does not touch Jamnagar at all, only New
Jamnagar. Else my Newman’s bradshaw is wrong.
I stick with what I wrote until you show otherwise.

>Note that Naliya is the westermost station in India and not Okha.

Of course. But I was looking for maximal routelength in general NS and
EW
directions So, Okha was the key target as Naliya access is not hampered

by the Rajkot bend!

>One request: include Mithapur in your database of stations, since my
Better
>Half is from that place :-)

Now included in all further outputs! ;)

In return, please look at the PS and help!

>Few other requests (towards reducing the L-O distance):
>Can you use your software to compare the following distances-
>1. Mughalsarai-Chunar-Chopan-Singrauli-Katni-Damoh-Sagar-Bina

Here it is:

MUGHAL SARAI(0) CHUNAR(33) ROBERTSGANJ(109) CHOPAN(136)

CHOPAN(0) R SON 12(3) BILLI(6) R SON 11(9) OBRADAM(12) KARAILA ROAD(50)
SINGRAULI(63) NIWAS ROAD(148) CHATENI(223) R SON 9(235) VIJAY SOTA(242)
KHANA BANJARI(274) R SON 5(285) SALHANA(295) KATNI(324) R SON 2(332)
HARDUA(341) SALAIA(374) DAMOH(435) SAGAR(512) BINA(587)

So totals 723kms. But I can beat that by avoiding Chopan & going to
Satna instead.
As shown here:

MUGHAL SARAI(0) CHUNAR(33) MIRZAPUR(64) VINDHYACHAL(71) MEJA ROAD(115) R

TONS(120) BHEERPUR(126) NAINI(146) SHANKARGARH(187) MANIKPUR(242)
SATNA(320) PATWARA(410) R SON 3(411) KATNI(418) R SON 2(426) HARDUA(435)

SALAIA(468) DAMOH(529) SAGAR(606) BINA(681)

> Mughalsarai-Varanasi-Allahabad-Manikpur-Jhansi-Bina

MUGHAL SARAI(0) VYASNAGAR(5) R GANGA 8(9) KASHI(10) VARANASI(15)
MANDUADIH(19) MADHO SINGH(63) GYANPUR ROAD(76) JHUSI(130) R GANGA 7(133)

DARAGANJ(134) ALLAHABAD CITY(139) ALLAHABAD(141)

ALLAHABAD(0) R YAMUNA 10(3) NAINI(6) SHANKARGARH(47) MANIKPUR(102)
CHITRAKOOTDHAM KARWI(133) BANDA(202) R KEN(208) KHAIRAR(213) MAHOBA(256)

BELA TAL(286) HARPALPUR(308) MAU RANIPUR(329) BARWA SAGAR(372) R BETWA
4(381) ORCHHA(382) JHANSI(394)

JHANSI(0) BABINA(25) BASAI(37) R BETWA 3(42) MATATILA(43) TALBAHAT(50)
LALITPUR(90) JAKHLAUN(106) BINA(152)

So 687 kms. But I can beat that too by avoiding Manikpur & Jhansi &
heading for Satna, I believe.

ALLAHABAD(0) R YAMUNA 10(3) NAINI(6) SHANKARGARH(47) MANIKPUR(102)
SATNA(180) PATWARA(270) R SON 3(271) KATNI(278) R SON 2(286) HARDUA(295)

SALAIA(328) DAMOH(389) SAGAR(466) BINA(541)

>2. Barauni-Kiul-Gaya-Dehrionsone-Garwa Rd.-Singrauli vs

BARAUNI(0) SEMARIA(8) R GANGA 9(12) RAJENDRA PUL(13) RAMPUR DUMRA(16)
LAKHISARAI(37) KIUL(38)

KIUL(0) LAKHISARAI(1) NAWADAH(71) MANPUR(125) R PHALGUD(127) GAYA(130)

GAYA(0) SON NAGAR(79) R SON 14(84) DEHRI ON SONE(85)

DEHRI ON SONE(0) R SON 14(1) SON NAGAR(6) GARWA ROAD(80) NAGAR
UNTARI(124) MAHUARIYA(147) R SON 13(154) DUDHINAGAR(159) BILLI(216) R
SON 11(219) OBRADAM(222) KARAILA ROAD(260) SINGRAULI(273)

Totalling 526 kms, including 333 kms BARAUNI-GARWA ROAD by your
test-route.

But I can beat the BARAUNI - GARWA ROAD part by 14 kms as follows:

BARAUNI(0) SEMARIA(8) R GANGA 9(12) RAJENDRA PUL(13) RAMPUR DUMRA(16)
LAKHISARAI(37) NAWADAH(107) MANPUR(161) R PHALGUD(163) GAYA(166) SON
NAGAR(245) GARWA ROAD(319)

so it is really 512 kms.

Do check the first part (around RAJENDRA PUL) of this though - I am
unsure of the track topology, and have conflicting data sources.

>Barauni-Mokama-Patna-Mughalsarai-Chunar-Chopan-Singrauli

BARAUNI(0) SEMARIA(8) R GANGA 9(12) RAJENDRA PUL(13) RAMPUR DUMRA(16)
HATHIDAH(20) MOKAMA(28) BAKHTIYARPUR(73) PHATUHA(96) PATNA(118)

PATNA(0) DANAPUR(10) BIHTA(32) R SON 15(40) KOELWAR(41) ARA(54)
RAGHUNATHPUR(90) BUXAR(123) CHAUSA(134) R KARAMNASA(136) BARA KALAN
HALT(139) DILDARNAGAR(159) MUGHAL SARAI(217) CHUNAR(250)
ROBERTSGANJ(326) CHOPAN(353) R SON 12(356) BILLI(359) R SON 11(362)
OBRADAM(365) KARAILA ROAD(403) SINGRAULI(416)

So 534 kms > 512 kms, the Barauni-Lakhisarai-Gaya-Singrauli route
avoiding Kiul & DehriOnSone, I think!
But... do check.

>Vijay

VERY MANY THANKS Vijay!

And more help needed - others please join in.

Btw I’m in India for 3-4 weeks in a week’s time.

L Webber

PS: To really help, please correct the following guesses / map measured
trackages... Till this is done, results cannot be relied on. *Some*
guesses do not matter as if ABCDE has nothing intersecting it as I can
then have guesses for all 4 legs as long as my total is correct. Still
undesirable though. So, GET THOSE TIMETABLES out, please! It is easy
with the right TT as the stations are neighbouring.

We can have great fun with my prog once the input data is CLEAN...
please help, folks.

AGARPARA - DAKSHINESHWAR - 5
AGTHORI - AMINGAON - 11
ALIPURDUAR - NEW COOCH BEHAR - 18
ALLEPPEY - MAVALIKARA - 52
ALWAR - KAMAN - 73
ALWAYE - TRIPUNITTURA - 22
AMBARI DECCAN - PIMPALKUTTI - 70
AMBEVADI - DANDELI - 10
AMGURI - TULI - 18
ANARA - BHOJUDIH - 20
ANARA - DAMODAR - 35
ANDUL - CHANPADANGA - 50
ANKOLA - HONAVAR - 35
ANKOLA - KARWAR - 20
ASANSOL - GAURANGDIH - 10
ATARI - LAHORE - 50
AWANTIPURA - BATOTE - 99
AWANTIPURA - SRINAGAR - 40
BADARWAS - GUNA - 40
BADARWAS - KOLARAS - 20
BAGASRA - KUNKAVAN - 22
BAHRAICH - NANPARA - 37
BAJALATA - JAMMU TAWI - 25
BAJALATA - UDHAMPUR - 35
BALAGAON - KOPILAS ROAD - 15
BALAGAON - NERGUNDI - 13
BALANGIR - PHULABANI - 75
BALANI KAHDAN - BARA JAMDA - 20
BALIGANJA - SONARPUR - 15
BALIPARA - GAMANI - 20
BALOTRA - PACHPADRA - 26
BALURGHAI - EKLAKHI - 95
BAMAN HAT - NEW GITALDAHA - 11
BANGAON - BARASAT - 44
BANGAON - PATRIPOL - 6
BANGAON - RANAGHAT - 41
BANSPANI - DAITARI - 90
BANSPANI - PADAPAR - 40
BANTVA - SARADIYA - 24
BANTVA - SHAPUR - 23
BARAMULA - SRINAGAR - 90
BARANG - RAJ ATHGARH - 25
BARARI - BHAGALPUR - 5
BARASAT - DUM DUM - 25
BARASAT - HASNABAD - 55
BARAUNI - SEMARIA - 8
BARPETA - JOGIGHOPA - 55
BARPETA - KAMAKHYA - 55
BARSOI - RADHIKAPUR - 48
BARUIPUR - DIAMOND HARBOUR - 32
BARUIPUR - LAKSHMIKANTAPUR - 17
BARUIPUR - SONARPUR - 6
BATOTE - UDHAMPUR - 50
BAYANA - HINDAUN CITY - 39
BEAS - GOVINDWHAL - 40
BEDI BANDAR - JAMNAGAR - 4
BELHA - GHUTKU - 27
BHALUKPONG - GAMANI - 25
BHANDARIDAH - RAJABEHRA - 10
BHATKAL - MANKI - 35
BHAVNAGAR TERMINUS - TALAJA - 55
BHILDI - PATAN - 50
BHIMAVARAM TOWN - VENDRA - 5
BHIWANDI - DOMBIVLI - 12
BHIWANDI - PANVEL - 37
BHIWANI - ROHTAK - 44
BILIMORA - BILIMORA BUNDER - 5
BIMLAGARH - KIRI BURU - 29
BOTAD - JASDAN - 62
BURGI - JAMTARA PARASWARA - 16
BURGI - NAINPUR - 75
BUTI BORI - UMRED - 40
CANNING - SONARPUR - 19
CHALLAKERE - RAYADRUG - 42
CHALSA - MATIALI - 10
CHANAKH - PIMPALKUTTI - 15
CHANANWALA - FAZILKA - 8
CHANASMA - HARIJ - 26
CHANEHTI - RAMGANGA - 9
CHANGRABANDHA - LATAGURI - 37
CHARPURI - PUNE - 12
CHENNAI BEACH - ENNORE - 16
CHHENDIPADA - SAMBALPUR - 99
CHHENDIPADA - TALCHER - 55
CHHITAUNI - VALMIKINAGAR ROAD - 10
CHIPLUN - KHED - 43
COIMBATORE - MADUKKARAI - 12
CUTTACK - PARADWIP - 91
DABHOI - SAMLAYA - 51
DABLA - SINGHENA - 28
DAITARI - JAKHAPURA - 40
DALMAU - UNCHAHAR - 36
DALMAU - UNNAO - 80
DAMANJORI - KORAPUT - 75
DAMANJORI - SINGAPURAM ROAD - 75
DARA - JHALAWAR ROAD - 40
DARRITOLA - DUMAN HILL - 22
DAURAI - HATUNDI - 7
DELHI SARAI ROHILLA - direct-NEW DELHI - 7
DEWAS - INDORE - 40
DEWAS - MAKSI - 50
DEWAS - UJJAIN - 44
DHRANGADHRA - KODA SALT SIDING - 20
DHURI - MALERKOTLA - 22
DHURI - SANGRUR - 12
DIGHA (BI) - PATNA - 10
DIGHA (WB) - TAMLUK - 63
DUMKA - MANDAR HILL - 70
DUMKA - RAMPURHAT - 50
DUNGAR - VICTOR - 11
ERODE - TIRUPPUR - 51
FEDUSAR - JODHPUR - 8
FIROZPUR CANTT - MALLANWALA KHAS - 22
FIROZPUR CITY - HUSAINWALA - 1
FORBESGANJ - JOGBANI - 11
FORBESGANJ - PURNIA - 80
GADHADA SWAMINARAYAN - NINGALA - 18
GANGAPUR CITY - HINDAUN CITY - 39
GEDE - RANAGHAT - 40
GHANTLA - KHAKRECHI - 14
GHANTOLI - SONGIR - 4
GHAT KA VARANA - KESHORAI PATAN - 22
GHAT KA VARANA - LAKHERI - 18
GHUGUS - TADALI - 12
GOKULPUR - NIMPURA - 12
GOWARIGHAT - HOWBAGH - 8
GUNTUR - LADEPALLE - 29
GURUVAYUR - TANUR - 90
GURUVAYUR - TRICHUR - 36
GWALIOR - PANIHAR - 15
HALAKATTA - NALWAR - 15
HALAKATTA - SULEHALLI - 15
HALDIA - TAMLUK - 47
HARIHAR - KOTTURU - 70
HASANPARTI ROAD - WARANGAL - 20
HATUNDI - MADAR - 15
HIJILI - NIMPURA - 21
HISAR - JAKHAL - 80
HONAVAR - MANKI - 20
HOWBAGH - JABALPUR - 4
IRUGUR / SINGANALLUR - PODANUR - 15
ISLAMPUR - PHATUHA - 44
JAGGAYYAPETA - MOTUMARI - 33
JAKHAL - SANGRUR - 60
JALANDHAR CITY - NAKODAR - 29
JAYANT - SINGRAULI - 32
JAYANTI - RAJABHAT KHAWA - 15
JHALAWAR ROAD - SHAMGARH - 46
JIRIBAM - SILCHAR - 44
JOGIGHOPA - NEW BONGAIGAON - 33
JOGIWALA - LOHIAN KHAS - 11
JORAVARNAGAR - SAYLA - 29
JOYCHANDIH PAHAR - RUKNI - 15
JUNAGARH - LANJIGARH ROAD - 40
KACHCHHIDHANA - RAMAKONA - 9
KADIKKARAI - TIRUTTURAIPPUNDI - 53
KAKOSHI METRANA ROAD - PATAN - 45
KALEM - SENVORDEM CURCHORAM - 9
KAMAKHYA - PANDU - 7
KAMAN - MATHURA - 40
KANALUS - SIKKA - 14
KANKANADI - PANAMBURU - 10
KANTILO - KHURDA ROAD - 75
KANTILO - PHULABANI - 90
KAPADVANJ - MODASA - 47
KAPURTHALA - LOHIAN KHAS - 32
KARAD - KOREGAON - 36
KARAD - SANGLI - 78
KARAIKAL - PERALAM - 22
KARANJALI - KULPI - 17
KARANJALI - NAMKHANA - 17
KATANGI - SAONGI - 26
KATIHAR - KUMEDPUR - 26
KHAJURI - PANIHAR - 45
KHAJURI - SHIVPURI - 45
KHAKRECHI - MORBI - 29
KHAMMAM - MOTUMARI - 40
KHED - VEER DASGAON - 40
KOLARAS - SHIVPURI - 50
KRISHNANAGAR CITY - NABADWIP GHAT - 10
KRISHNANAGAR CITY - SHANTIPUR - 20
KULPI - LAKSHMIKANTAPUR - 17
KUMARGHAT - PENCHARTHAL - 17
KUMEDPUR - MUKURIA - 26
LAKHERI - SAWAI MADHOPUR - 54
LALKUA - RAMPUR - 58
LATAGURI - RAMSHAI - 11
LEDO - LIKHAPANI - 10
LINGAMPALLI - TELAPUR - 6
MADGAON - MAPUSA ROAD - 35
MADGAON - SENVORDEM CURCHORAM - 9
MADHIRA - MOTUMARI - 5
MAGNESITE - METTUR DAM - 33
MAGNESITE - SALEM - 10
MAHUVA - TALAJA - 50
MAKHU - MALLANWALA KHAS - 26
MANIKGARH - VIRUR - 25
MAPUSA ROAD - SAWANTWADI ROAD - 44
MAYILADUTURAI - TARANGAMBADI - 33
MOKAMA - MOKAMA GHAT - 8
MONARGUDI - NIDAMANGALAM - 10
MUKERIAN - TALWARA - 40
NANPARA - NEPALGANJ ROAD - 25
NEW COOCH BEHAR - NEW GITALDAHA - 36
NEW TINSUKIA - TINSUKIA - 1
NIRA - PUNE - 96
NUAGAON - PURNAPANI - 16
PANAMBURU - SURATHKAL - 11
PANSKURA - TAMLUK - 33
PATANCHERU - TELAPUR - 40
PIMPALKUTTI - WANI - 50
PIPLOD - PIPLOD BRANCH - 18
QUARRY SIDING - RAURKELA - 17
RAI MAHETPUR - UNA - 50
RAMPUR DUMRA - RAJENDRA PUL - 3
RAMRAMA TOLA - SAONGI - 15
RANAGHAT - SHANTIPUR - 20
RANIPPETTAI - WALAJA ROAD - 5
RANJITPURA - TORANGALLU - 34
RANTHAMBOR - SAWAI MADHOPUR - 7
RENIGUNTA - TIRUTTANI - 53
SAMLAYA - TIMBA ROAD - 48
SHANKARAPALLI - TELAPUR - 15
SHOLINGHUR - TIRUTTANI - 18
SHORANUR - SHORANUR EAST - 12
SHORANUR - SHORANUR SOUTH - 8
SHORANUR EAST - SHORANUR SOUTH - 16
SITAPUR - THOMPSONGANJ - 7
SRIPURIAGAON - TINSUKIA GOODS - 4
TILWARA - TILWARA MELA - 4
UDHNA - VYARA - 80
WARASEONI - SAONGI - 8


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Subject: New NS vs EW Open Challenge to Vijay (and others)

Date: 10 Dec 1998 17:21:56 -0500


Here are promised updates!

KANNIYAKUMARI(0) NAGERCOIL(16) TRIVANDRUM CENTRAL(87) KADAKAVUR(119)
VARKALA(129) QUILON(153) KARUNAGAPALLI HALT(180) KAYANKULAM(194)
MAVALIKARA(202) CHENGANNUR(214) CHANGANACHERI(231) KOTTAYAM(249)
ETTUMANUR(259) TRIPUNITTURA(299) ALWAYE(321) TRICHUR(376) SHORANUR
SOUTH(400) SHORANUR(408) TIRUR(453) TANUR(461) KADALUNDI(480) R
FEROK(484) FEROK(485) CALICUT(494) BADAGARA(541) MAHE(554)
TELLICHERRY(563) CANNANORE(584) VALLAPATANAM(590) KOTIKULAM(660) R
PAYASAVALI(667) KASARAGOD(669) MANJESHWAR(698) R NETRAVATI(704)
ULLAL(707) MANGALORE(715) KANKANADI(720) PANAMBURU(730) SURATHKAL(741)
UDUPI(783) KUNDAPURA(815) BHATKAL(864) MANKI(899) HONAVAR(919)
ANKOLA(954) KARWAR(974) CANACONA(1000) MADGAON(1032) MAPUSA ROAD(1067)
SAWANTWADI ROAD(1111) RATNAGIRI(1271) CHIPLUN(1347) KHED(1390) VEER
DASGAON(1430) ROHA(1476) PEN(1517) APTA(1537) PANVEL(1552)

PANVEL(0) BHIWANDI(37) VASAI ROAD(62) VIRAR(70) R VAITARNI(93) DAHANU
ROAD(134) SANJAN(159) VAPI(182) UDVADA(192) ATUL(201) R PAR(204)
VALSAD(208) R AURANGA(216) DUNGRI(217) BILIMORA(226) NAVSARI(247) R
PURNA(255) MAROLI(256) SACHIN(262) R MINDHOLA(265) BHESTAN(268)
UDHNA(273) SURAT(277) R TAPI 3(278) UTRAN(279) KOSAMBA(308)
ANKLESHWAR(326) R NARMADA 5(335) BHARUCH(336) MIYAGAM KARJAN(376)
VISHVAMITRI(403) VADODARA(406)

VADODARA(0) VASAD(20) ADAS ROAD(24) R MAHI 3(25) VADOD(29) ANAND(35)
KANJARI BORIAVI(43) NADIAD(54) MEHMADABAD KHEDA ROAD(70) NENPUR(75) R
VATRAK(77) KANIJ(78) AHMEDABAD(100) R SABARMATI(103) SABARMATI(105)
KALOL(126) AMBLIYASAN(147) MAHESANA(164) UNJHA(186) SIDDHAPUR(200)
PALANPUR(229) ABU ROAD(282) JAWAI BANDH (ERINPURA)(364) FALNA(381)
MARWAR(447) SOJAT ROAD(468) HARIPUR(501) BEAWAR(535) DAURAI(580)
AJMER(587) MADAR(593)

MADAR(0) KISHANGARH(23) NARAINA(64) PHULERA(74) RINGAS(140) SIKAR(190)
LACHHMANGARH SIKAR(215) FATEHPUR SHEKHAWATI(238) RAMGARH SHEKHAWATI(257)

CHURU(281) SADULPUR(339) SURATPURA(344) HISAR(410) JAKHAL(490)
SANGRUR(550) DHURI(562) MALERKOTLA(584) LUDHIANA(627) LADHOWAL(636) R
SUTLEJ 2(638) PHILLAUR(640) PHAGWARA(663) JALANDHAR CANTT(680) JALANDHAR

CITY(685) MUKERIAN(758) CHAKKI BANK(798) BHAROLI(803) MADHOPUR
PUNJAB(815) R RAVI(817) KATHUA(824) SAMBA(868) JAMMU TAWI(901)

Making a total KK-JT of 3452kms... (using VADODARA-MERTA ROAD-JAMMU TAWI

is definitely longer)

LIKHAPANI(0) LEDO(10) MARGHERITA(17) DIGBOI(31) MAKUM(56) TINSUKIA(64)
SRIPURIAGAON(68) SIMALUGURI(165) AMGURI(191) MARIANI(219) TITABAR(232)
FURKATING(258) DIMAPUR(328) LUMDING(397) CHAPARMUKH(486) GUWAHATI(578)
KAMAKHYA(584) BARPETA(639) JOGIGHOPA(694) NEW BONGAIGAON(727)
FAKIRAGRAM(765) NEW ALIPURDUAR(834) NEW COOCH BEHAR(852) DHUPGURI(913)
RANINAGAR JALPAIGURI(952) NEW JALPAIGURI(979)

NEW JALPAIGURI(0) ALUBARI ROAD(55) KISHANGANJ(85) BARSOI(141)
MUKURIA(146) KATIHAR(184) KURSELA(223) R KOSI 2(226) KATAREAH(230)
NAUGACHIA(241) THANA BIHPUR(257) MANSI(300) SAHEBPUR KAMAL(308)
BEGUSARAI(335) BARAUNI(351) SEMARIA(359) R GANGA 9(363) RAJENDRA
PUL(364) RAMPUR DUMRA(367) HATHIDAH(371) MOKAMA(379) BAKHTIYARPUR(424)
PHATUHA(447) PATNA(469) DANAPUR(479) BIHTA(501) R SON 15(509)
KOELWAR(510) ARA(523) RAGHUNATHPUR(559) BUXAR(592) CHAUSA(603) R
KARAMNASA(605) BARA KALAN HALT(608) DILDARNAGAR(628) MUGHAL SARAI(686)
CHUNAR(719) MIRZAPUR(750) VINDHYACHAL(757) MEJA ROAD(801) R TONS(806)
BHEERPUR(812) NAINI(832) SHANKARGARH(873) MANIKPUR(928) SATNA(1006)
PATWARA(1096) R SON 3(1097) KATNI(1104) R SON 2(1112) HARDUA(1121)
SALAIA(1154) DAMOH(1215) SAGAR(1292) BINA(1367)

BINA(0) BARETH(35) GANJ BASODA(45) SUMER(71) VIDISHA(85) R BETWA 1(90)
SANCHI(95) BHOPAL(139) SEHORE(178) SHUJALPUR(219) MAKSI(282) UJJAIN(323)

NAGDA(378) R CHAMBAL 2(379) BERAWANIYA(386) RATLAM(419) RAOTI(446) R
MAHI 1(451) BHAIRONGARH(458) BAMNIA(464) MEGHNAGAR(500) DAHOD(533)
PIPLOD(574) GODHRA(607) TUWA(630) R MAHI 2(633) TIMBA ROAD(634)
DAKOR(659) ANAND(686) KANJARI BORIAVI(694) NADIAD(705) MEHMADABAD KHEDA
ROAD(721) NENPUR(726) R VATRAK(728) KANIJ(729) AHMEDABAD(751) R
SABARMATI(754) SABARMATI(756) VIRAMGAM(816) SURENDRANAGAR(881) THAN(929)

WANKANER(955) RAJKOT(997) HADMATIYA(1033) HAPA(1073) NEW JAMNAGAR(1078)
KANALUS(1083) KHAMBALIYA(1111) DWARKA(1195) MITHAPUR(1214) OKHA(1224)

Making a total of 3570kms L-O, and note the MITHAPUR insertion, Vijay.
So EW is 118kms longer... till you show me otherwise, or correct some of

my distances; see my ‘Ultimate Indian Railways Simulator!’ post). Out
of interest, in arriving at the above (all of them), my program searched

some 450,000,000 “legs” (short hops between adjacent points) and
7,300,000 routes (combinations of legs).... It is dumb compared to a
human but it is fast.

The reason for breaking the long routes into sectors is that the program

is much more certain then... and I believe NEW JALPAIGURI (check the
corridor carefully), BINA & AHMEDABAD *MUST* be on the shortest L-O
route, and PANVEL & VADODARA *MUST* be on the shortest JT-KK route....
Am I right??

Note that the ANAND-SABARMATI BG route is common between the NS and EW
route.

Please beat this if you can. And correct more distances!

All the best

L Webber

PS: Below is the updated >99 kph sector records per the web-TT...
Format is avsectorspeed, 2 spaces, train no:/name, 2 spaces, route over
which timed (only stops at first and last stn) with *my* bracketed
cumulative kilometrages. Please post errors in my distances or (more
commonly) errors in web-TT timings for the trains, so I can correct
them. Then we'll get a useful "FASTEST TRAINS" list. Till then, the
2100kph Janata record must stand (official per IR site - go check -
Vadodara to Bharuch in 2 mins...

:)

100 2001 BHOPAL - DELHI SHATABDI EXP GWALIOR(0) MORENA(39)
HETAMPUR(53) R CHAMBAL 4(55) DHAULPUR(66) AGRA CANTT(117)
100 2011 DELHI - CHANDIGARH SHATABDI EXP AMBALA CANTT(0) DAPPAR(34) R
GHAGGAR(35) GHAGGAR(51) CHANDIGARH(67)
100 2951 MUMBAI - DELHI RAJDHANI EXP RATLAM(0) BERAWANIYA(33) R
CHAMBAL 2(40) NAGDA(41) VIKRAMGAD ALOT(81) SHAMGARH(132) JHALAWAR
ROAD(178) DARA(218) KOTA(266)
100 7053 CHENNAI - SECUNDERABAD EXP CHIRALA(0) BAPATLA(15)
100 7240 VISHAKAPATNAM - GUNTUR SIMHADRI EXP NIDADAVOLU(0)
TADEPALLIGUDEM(20)
101 2002 DELHI - BHOPAL SHATABDI EXP NEW DELHI(0) TILAK BRIDGE(4)
HAZRAT NIZAMUDDIN(6) OKHLA(10) TUGHLAKABAD(19) FARIDABAD(29)
BALLABGARH(37) PALWAL(58) KOSI KALAN(100) MATHURA(141) RAJA KI
MANDI(191) AGRA CANTT(195)
101 5028 GORAKHPUR - HATIA MAURYA EXP BARAUNI(0) BEGUSARAI(16)
SAHEBPUR KAMAL(43) MANSI(51) THANA BIHPUR(94) NAUGACHIA(110)
KATAREAH(121) R KOSI 2(125) KURSELA(128) KATIHAR(167)
101 7015 PALASA - SECUNDERABAD VISAKHA EXP MIRYALGUDA(0) NALGONDA(56)
101 7055 NARSAPUR - HYDERABAD EXP MIRYALGUDA(0) NALGONDA(56)
101 7423 TIRUPATI - SECUNDERABAD NARAYANDRI EXP MIRYALGUDA(0)
NALGONDA(56)
102 2954 NIZAMUDDIN - MUMBAI AUGUST KRANTI RAJDHANI EXP VADODARA(0)
VISHVAMITRI(3) MIYAGAM KARJAN(30) BHARUCH(70)
102 5027 HATIA - GORAKHPUR MAURYA EXP KIUL(0) LAKHISARAI(1) RAMPUR
DUMRA(22) RAJENDRA PUL(25) R GANGA 9(26) SEMARIA(30) BARAUNI(38)
BEGUSARAI(54) SAHEBPUR KAMAL(81) MANSI(89) THANA BIHPUR(132)
NAUGACHIA(148) KATAREAH(159) R KOSI 2(163) KURSELA(166) KATIHAR(205)
103 2302 DELHI - HOWRAH RAJDHANI EXP VIA GAYA MUGHAL SARAI(0) BHABUA
ROAD(53) KUDRA(75) SASARAM(100) DEHRI ON SONE(118) R SON 14(119) SON
NAGAR(124) GAYA(203)
103 2422 DELHI - BHUBANESHWAR RAJDHANI EXP MUGHAL SARAI(0) BHABUA
ROAD(53) KUDRA(75) SASARAM(100) DEHRI ON SONE(118) R SON 14(119) SON
NAGAR(124) GAYA(203)
103 4015 RAXAUL - DELHI BIWEEKLY EXP SAGAULI(0) MOTIHARI(31)
103 5202 RAXAUL - MUZAFFARPUR EXP SAGAULI(0) MOTIHARI(31)
104 6336 NAGERCOIL - GANDHIDHAM WEEKLY EXP UDUPI(0) KUNDAPURA(32)
BHATKAL(81) MANKI(116) HONAVAR(136) ANKOLA(171) KARWAR(191)
CANACONA(217)
104 7480 TIRUPATI - HOWRAH EXP VISHAKAPATNAM(0) GOPALAPATNAM(2)
SIMHACHALAM(9) KOTTAVALASA(27) VIZIANAGRAM(61)
105 1082 KANNIYAKUMARI - MUMBAI JAYANTI JANATA EXP JOLARPETTAI(0)
AMBUR(31) KATPADI(84)
105 2006 KALKA - DELHI SHATABDI EXP CHANDIGARH(0) GHAGGAR(16) R
GHAGGAR(32) DAPPAR(33) AMBALA CANTT(67)
106 2954 NIZAMUDDIN - MUMBAI AUGUST KRANTI RAJDHANI EXP MATHURA(0)
BHARATPUR(34) BAYANA(75) HINDAUN CITY(114) GANGAPUR CITY(153)
RANTHAMBOR(209) SAWAI MADHOPUR(216) LAKHERI(270) GHAT KA VARANA(288)
KESHORAI PATAN(310) R CHAMBAL 3(316) KOTA(324)
106 3050 AMRITSAR - HOWRAH EXP BUXAR(0) RAGHUNATHPUR(33) ARA(69)
107 7056 HYDERABAD - NARSAPUR EXP VIJAYAWADA(0) GUDIVADA(43)
BHIMAVARAM TOWN(107)
108 6330 MANGALORE - TRIVANDRUM MALABAR EXP TIRUR(0) SHORANUR(45)
108 7005 TENALI - SECUNDERABAD INTERCITY EXP MIRYALGUDA(0)
NALGONDA(56)
109 2138 FIROZPUR - MUMBAI PUNJAB MAIL AGRA CANTT(0) DHAULPUR(51)
110 2407 NAGPUR - NIZAMUDDIN GONDWANA EXP AMLA(0) BETUL(33)
110 2409 BILASPUR - NIZAMUDDIN GONDWANA EXP AMLA(0) BETUL(33)
111 1077 PUNE - JAMMU JHELUM EXP RAJPURA(0) SIRHIND(26)
111 5647 DADAR - GUWAHATI WEEKLY EXP MOKAMA(0) HATHIDAH(8) RAMPUR
DUMRA(12) LAKHISARAI(33) KIUL(34) JAMALPUR(89) SULTANGANJ(105)
BHAGALPUR(130)
112 2712 CHENNAI - VIJAYAWADA PINAKINI EXP CHIRALA(0) BAPATLA(15)
114 2005 DELHI - KALKA SHATABDI EXP AMBALA CANTT(0) DAPPAR(34) R
GHAGGAR(35) GHAGGAR(51) CHANDIGARH(67)
114 2012 CHANDIGARH - DELHI SHATABDI EXP CHANDIGARH(0) GHAGGAR(16) R
GHAGGAR(32) DAPPAR(33) AMBALA CANTT(67)
116 5050 GORAKHPUR - SEALDAH WEEKLY EXP BHATNI(0) SALEMPUR(12)
BELTHARA ROAD(35)
120 1457 DADAR - AMRITSAR EXP AMBALA CITY(0) RAJPURA(20)
120 2816 DELHI - PURI EXP ALLAHABAD(0) R YAMUNA 10(3) NAINI(6)
BHEERPUR(26) R TONS(32) MEJA ROAD(37) VINDHYACHAL(81) MIRZAPUR(88)
120 5314 AGRA FORT - LUCKNOW MARUDHAR EXP LAKHIMPUR(0) SITAPUR(40)
128 6614 COIMBATORE - RAJKOT EXP PUNE(0) KHADKI(6) VADGAON(38)
MALAVLI(56) LONAVALA(64)
128 7018 SECUNDERABAD - RAJKOT WEEKLY EXP PUNE(0) KHADKI(6)
VADGAON(38) MALAVLI(56) LONAVALA(64)
129 1013 KURLA - COIMBATORE EXP GOOTY(0) ANANTAPUR(71)
130 8440 TIRUPATI - PURI WEEKLY EXP GUDUR(0) R KANDLERA(4)
MANUBOLU(10) NELLORE(39)
132 5028 GORAKHPUR - HATIA MAURYA EXP SAMASTIPUR(0) DALSINGH SARAI(24)

BACHWARA(35) BARAUNI(53)
140 8029 KURLA - HOWRAH EXP WARDHA(0) WARDHA EAST(2) SEWAGRAM(7)
141 3021 HOWRAH - RAXAUL MITHILA EXP SAMASTIPUR(0) PUSA ROAD(16)
MUZAFFARPUR(52)
145 1078 JAMMU - PUNE JHELUM EXP JALANDHAR CANTT(0) PHAGWARA(17)
145 8002 HOWRAH - MUMBAI MAIL HOWRAH(0) SANTRAGACHI(8) ANDUL(13)
ULUBARIA(33) KULGACHIA(40) R DAMODAR 4(43) BAGNAN(46) KOLA GHAT(55) R
RUPNARAIN(56) MECHEDA(59) PANSKURA(71) KHARAGPUR(116)
152 2616 DELHI - CHENNAI GT EXP BETUL(0) AMLA(33)
168 8554 NIZAMUDDIN - VISHAKAPATNAM SWARNA JAYANTI EXP VIJAYAWADA(0)
ELURU(59)
170 1077 PUNE - JAMMU JHELUM EXP PHAGWARA(0) JALANDHAR CANTT(17)
174 2763 TIRUPATI - SECUNDERABAD WEEKLY EXP KAZIPET(0) RAIGIR(79)
BHONGIR(85) BIBINAGAR(98) SECUNDERABAD(131)
182 9216 PORBANDAR - MUMBAI SAURASHTRA EXP HAPA(0) HADMATIYA(40)
RAJKOT(76)
192 4270 LUCKNOW - SINGRAULI TRIVENI EXP SHAKTINAGAR(0) KARAILA
ROAD(32) SINGRAULI(45)
192 6701 CHENNAI - QUILON SETHU EXP RAMANATHAPURAM(0) MANAMADURAI(60)
VIRUDUNAGAR(127) SRIVILLIPUTTUR(169) TENKASI(250) SENGOTTAI(258)
PUNALUR(308) QUILON(352)
193 7021 HYDERABAD - NIZAMUDDIN DAKSHIN EXP HOSHANGABAD(0) R NARMADA
3(2) BUDNI(7) BARKHERA(27) OBAIDULLAGANJ(38) HABIBGUNJ(68) BHOPAL(74)
193 8561 VISHAKAPATNAM - NIZAMUDDIN LINK EXP HOSHANGABAD(0) R NARMADA
3(2) BUDNI(7) BARKHERA(27) OBAIDULLAGANJ(38) HABIBGUNJ(68) BHOPAL(74)
207 5092 GORAKHPUR - BANGALORE WEEKLY EXP RAICHUR(0) HANUMAPURA
ROAD(24) R TUNGABHADRA 5(27) MANTHRALAYAM ROAD(28) ADONI(69)
GUNTAKAL(121)
208 4650 DELHI - DARBHANGA SARYU YAMUNA EXP MUZAFFARPUR(0) PUSA
ROAD(36) SAMASTIPUR(52)
212 7487 TIRUPATI - VISHAKAPATNAM TIRUMALA EXP KAKINADA PORT(0)
KAKINADA TOWN(3) SAMALKOT(16) ANNAVARAM(53)
227 5028 GORAKHPUR - HATIA MAURYA EXP KATIHAR(0) KURSELA(39) R KOSI
2(42) KATAREAH(46) NAUGACHIA(57) THANA BIHPUR(73) MANSI(116) SAHEBPUR
KAMAL(124) BEGUSARAI(151) BARAUNI(167) SEMARIA(175) R GANGA 9(179)
RAJENDRA PUL(180) RAMPUR DUMRA(183) LAKHISARAI(204) KIUL(205)
264 6702 QUILON - CHENNAI SETHU EXP QUILON(0) PUNALUR(44)
SENGOTTAI(94) TENKASI(102) SRIVILLIPUTTUR(183) VIRUDUNAGAR(225)
MANAMADURAI(292) RAMANATHAPURAM(352)
264 7046 HYDERABAD - HOWRAH EAST COAST EXP NIDADAVOLU(0) KOVVUR(13) R
GODAVARI 6(16) GODAVARI(17) RAJAHMUNDRY(22)
313 5027 HATIA - GORAKHPUR MAURYA EXP KATIHAR(0) KURSELA(39) R KOSI
2(42) KATAREAH(46) NAUGACHIA(57) THANA BIHPUR(73) MANSI(116) SAHEBPUR
KAMAL(124) BEGUSARAI(151) BARAUNI(167)
321 2382 DELHI - HOWRAH POORVA EXP DHANBAD(0) PRADHANKUNTA(10)
BARAKAR(41) KULTI(45) SITARAMPUR(50) ASANSOL(59)
336 6309 COCHIN - PATNA WEEKLY EXP BHUBANESHWAR(0) BARANG(16) R
KUAKHI(22) GOPALPUR BALIKUDA(24) R KHATJURI(25) CUTTACK(28)
340 7487 TIRUPATI - VISHAKAPATNAM TIRUMALA EXP ANNAVARAM(0) TUNI(17)
397 7488 VISHAKAPATNAM - TIRUPATI TIRUMALA EXP ANNAVARAM(0)
SAMALKOT(37) KAKINADA TOWN(50) KAKINADA PORT(53)
520 3484 BHIWANI - MALDA FARAKKA EXP VIA FAIZABAD ZAFARABAD(0)
VARANASI(52)
672 8033 AHMEDABAD - HOWRAH EXP BADNERA(0) DHAMANGAON(56)
720 7057 COCHIN - BILASPUR BIWEEKLY EXP JOLARPETTAI(0) AMBUR(31)
KATPADI(84)
720 7081 COCHIN - INDORE AHILYA NAGARI EXP JOLARPETTAI(0) AMBUR(31)
KATPADI(84)
760 8033 AHMEDABAD - HOWRAH EXP AKOLA(0) MURTAJAPUR(38)
1230 8033 AHMEDABAD - HOWRAH EXP MURTAJAPUR(0) BADNERA(41)
2100 9018 JAMNAGAR - BANDRA SAURASHTRA JANATA EXP VADODARA(0)
VISHVAMITRI(3) MIYAGAM KARJAN(30) BHARUCH(70)


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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Let us do the Up & Down discussion once again

Date: 11 Dec 1998 01:22:33 -0500


Madhav Acharya wrote:

> Why was the new numbering system adopted to begin with if everyone
> was going to stick to using Up/Dn ? In any case, I doubt that anyone
> remembers train #s or Up/Dn - they just use the train name like
> Kalka Mail or Frontier Mail. I think Up/Dn are only used by railway
> wallahs

Around 1980s one pair of trains from Mumbai to Kolhapur interchanged
their
names and numbers, for some reason which I am not very clear about.
Earlier
the train 303 used to be called the Mahalaxmi Express and would leave
around
1745 from CSTM, while the train 311 was the Sahyandri Express and would
leave from Dadar at around 2000 Hrs.
Due to the change the 1745 train became 7303 Sahyadri while the 7311
became
the Mahalaxmi leaving DR at 2000 Hrs. Even till a few years back, one
senior
driver of the Mumbai division was not sure about the names of the
trains.
For him the train 303 Dn. left CSTM at 1745 and 311 Dn. left DR at 2000
Hrs
period. When I asked him about why he was not familiar with the names of
trains that he must have worked thousands of times in his career, he
replied
that to the drivers only the number and the departure time was
significant.
The same driver was not sure about where the trains went after he
decoupled
his engine at Pune. He did not know that the 1019 went to Bhubhaneshwar
! He
explained that he did not need to know the destination of the train at
all,
his job was to get this rake from Mumbai to Pune safely, and that was a
job
he excelled in !
Some trivia: In the middle of this unique four digit number discussion,
the
HQ of WR, Mumbai starts trains with two digit numbers like 13 Dn (MCT -
Valsad passenger ?). I do not have the WR tt at hand, but you can find
such
two digit trains in there. Why is the four digit code not applicable to
them
?

Apurva

> and that too most often by people directly in charge of traffic such
as
> the people up in the control room at a station.
>
> Madhav
>
> "Vijay Balasubramanian" <vijay_642@hotmail.email on 12/09/98 11:15:38
AM
>
> To: irfca@cs.email
> cc: (bcc: Madhav Acharya/EastCoast/Mobil-Notes)
> Subject: Re: Let us do the Up & Down discussion once again
>
> Gang !
> >
> >This is one of the evergreen threads which gets started once in a
way.
> >Dn track is the one that is going away from the Headquarters - All
> >trains moving away from say Mumbai are Down, Hence 6011 is Down until
> >Renigunta - then it enters the Southern Rail territory and now is
> facing
> >the HQ (Chennai) and is now 6011 Up ! Thus the Up and Down is
actually
> >defined by the tracks on which the train stands. The Up & Down status
> on
> >a train changes if the direction changes - The 2627 SBC - NDLS
Karnatak
> >Express is Up till Daund and thereafter it is Down all the way to New
> >Delhi.
> >
>
> The designation of Up and Dn. for trains between the four metropolitan
> cities is fairly clear. All trains depart from Mumbai/Chennai as Dn
> trains and arrive as Up trains. All trains arriving at Howrah from
one
> of the three trunk routes are Dn trains. As far as Delhi is
concerned,
> Mumbai/Chennai bound trains are Up and Howrah-bound trains are Dn.
> Others that partially use these trunk lines stay consistent with the
> sectional designation. Since a train leaving Mumbai is Dn. but has
to
> arrive at Chennai as an Up train, the change has to happen at an
> intermediate point - Renigunta, as Apurva pointed out.
>
> Here's my theory about sections that connect trunk lines: designate a
> section as Up(Dn) if a majority of trains enter/leave that section as
> Up(Dn) trains. As an example, all trains enter the Manmad-Daund
section
> from the Bhusaval side as Up trains. Most of them travel towards Pune
> from Daund as Up trains as well. Hence, stamping Manmad-Daund as Up
> will ensure that these trains do not have to change designations.
>
> IMHO, the only advantage of using this nomenclature is that one can
> convey the direction of a train (especially if it's on a trunk line)
by
> simply by stating whether it's Up or Dn. One does not to remember the
> train number.
>
> Regards,
> Vijay
>
> Vijay
>
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Subject: New page on the National Rail Museum...

Date: 11 Dec 1998 03:35:07 -0500


Hi All,
I have put up a new page on the NRM...do check it out and get back to me

with your comments and feedback

The URL is-
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/nrm.html">http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/nrm.html</A>

Regards
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From: L Webber <>

Subject: Shortest Distance Between Two Stations on IR

Date: 11 Dec 1998 07:00:16 -0500


Here is the Longest “Shortest Distance Between Two Stations on Indian
Railways”, I think - 3,937kms from Likhapani to KanniyaKumari, rather
predictably.

LIKHAPANI(0) NEW JALPAIGURI(979) as posted by me on other itineraries.

NEW JALPAIGURI(0) ALUBARI ROAD(55) KISHANGANJ(85) BARSOI(141)
MUKURIA(146) KUMEDPUR(172) HARISHCHANDRAPUR(179) SAMSI(199) EKLAKHI(215)

MALDA TOWN(234) CHAMAGRAM(265) R GANGA 10(267) NEW FARAKKA(268)
TILDANGA(274) BARHARWA(285) GUMANI(292) NALHATI(349) RAMPURHAT(363)
SAINTHIYA(391) SIURI(410) BHIMGARA(442) ANDAL(464) RANIGANJ(471)
ASANSOL(490) DAMODAR(499) ANARA(534) PURULIA(560) BARABHUM(590) R KASAI
1(593) BIRAMDIH(596) CHANDIL(614) KANDRA(628) SINI(640) RAJ
KHARSAWAN(655) CHAIBASA(676) PADAPAR(734) BANSPANI(774) DAITARI(864)
JAKHAPURA(904) R BRAHMANI 2(907) JENAPUR(912) KOPILAS ROAD(953)

KOPILAS ROAD(0) NERGUNDI(4) R BERUPA(8) KENDRAPARA ROAD(11) R MAHANADI
3(13) CUTTACK(15) R KHATJURI(18) GOPALPUR BALIKUDA(19) R KUAKHI(21)
BARANG(27) BHUBANESHWAR(43) KHURDA ROAD(62) BALUGAN(133) CHILKA(140)
RAMBHA(161) GANJAM(178) CHATRAPUR(187) BERHAMPUR(209) PALASA(283)
NAUPADA(308) SRIKAKULAM ROAD(355) VIZIANAGRAM(424) KOTTAVALASA(458)
SIMHACHALAM(476) GOPALAPATNAM(483) DUVVADA(499) ANAKAPALLE(515)
TUNI(578) ANNAVARAM(595) SAMALKOT(632) RAJAHMUNDRY(683) GODAVARI(688) R
GODAVARI 6(689) KOVVUR(692) NIDADAVOLU(705) TADEPALLIGUDEM(725)
ELURU(773) VIJAYAWADA(832)

VIJAYAWADA(0) R KRISHNA 7(2) KRISHNA CANAL(6) TENALI(32) NIDUBROLU(54)
BAPATLA(75) CHIRALA(90) ONGOLE(139) BITRAGUNTA(221) PADUGUPADU(251) R
PENNER 3(253) NELLORE(255) MANUBOLU(284) R KANDLERA(290) GUDUR(294)
SULLURUPETA(349) ELAVUR(379) GUMMIDIPUNDI(384) PONNERI(397) ENNORE(415)
CHENNAI BEACH(431) CHENNAI EGMORE(434) TAMBARAM(459) CHENGALPATTU(490)
PADALAM(503) R PALAR 2(506) KARUNGHUZI(511) MADURANTAKAM(514)
TINDIVANAM(555) VILLUPURAM(593) KANDAMBAKKAM(601) R PONNIAR 1(604)
TIRUVENNAINALLUR(609) VIRDHACHALAM(648) PENNADAM(667) R VELLAR(668)
MATHUR(676) LALGUDI(745) UTTAMARKOVIL(757) R KOLLIDAM 1(758)
SRIRANGAM(760) R KAVERI 5(761) TIRUCHCHIRAPPALLI TOWN(763) PONMALAI(768)

TIRUCHCHIRAPPALLI(771) DINDIGUL(864) KODAIKANAL ROAD(886) MADURAI(926)
VIRUDUNAGAR(969) KOVILPATTI(1017) VANCHI MANIYACHI(1054)
TIRUNELVELI(1083) NAGERCOIL(1157) KANNIYAKUMARI(1173)

All the best

LW

PS: I have read many of Poras's interesting posts. Is something
distracting him from trains currently? :)

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From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: Ultimate Indian Railways Simulator!

Date: 11 Dec 1998 08:06:15 -0500


> Please refer to my post of a day ago (THE GAP...) - perhaps
> it has been
> slow getting to your mail server, Vijay. I gave the reasons
> for both of
> these already there. Can anyone pl post to irfca the
> corrections to the
> web-TT for the Maurya for these stops, please, as well as the
> Chhitauni-ValmikinagarRd (the link which shows as missing in my Tts)
> distance?

My 1998 TAAG shows Kaptanganj-Bagaha as 55 kms. Note that the
Chhitauni-ValmikinagarRd-Bagaha rail link was opened to traffic a couple
of
years back and my NE TT doesn't cover that. We need this information
from
someone who has the latest NE TT or Bradshaw.

>
> My guessed distances are listed at the bottom of this post. Please
> start THERE, else it goes round in circles (sometimes literally!).
> Giving me a good AE distance is less helpful when AB,BC,CD, & DE were
> really needed (as B,C or D were junctions) - the list at the
> bottom is
> what is really needed.

Quick question. Have you used the Bradshaw to determine these distances
or
are they just from the map? If you have used a Bradshaw then I will
use
only my zonal TTs.


>
> >Gudur-Egmore is around 90 km.
>
> Errrm, no. Unless non-Euclidean geometry is involved, as the point to
> point across the earth's surface is >110kms and a tunnel would not
> reduce it that much ;). I estimate it at 140kms trackage.
> But, please,
> anyone.. where does the Egmore track join up with the C.Central track
> heading north to Gudur? I've assumed it is near Ennore.

A careless mistake on my part. Gudur-Chennai Central is 138 km., so
Egmore-Gudur should be around 140 km. Will have to look into my
Southern
TT. A long time ago, Anand had posted a layout of the tracks near
Chennai -
if I remember correctly, it is a diamond-type layout - Anand can you
elaborate?

>
> >Jamnagar to Kanalus is 26 km. So <snipped>
>
> Sure, but the shortest route does not touch Jamnagar at all, only New
> Jamnagar. Else my Newman's bradshaw is wrong.
> I stick with what I wrote until you show otherwise.

I have traveled on the Viramgam-Okha route twice and have not seen any
Jamnagar bypass. I checked with my 1998 Western Rly. TT to see whether
this
New Jamnagar has mysteriously sprung-up in the last three years, but no
such
luck! So, rest assured, every train to Okha passes via Jamnagar and the
distance is correct.

>
> VERY MANY THANKS Vijay!
You are most welcome!


Vijay

From: ranand <>

Subject: Re: Ultimate Indian Railways Simulator!

Date: 11 Dec 1998 08:27:29 -0500


Regarding the track layout around Madras Central: I did post a picture a
few years ago. I will try to dig it out. There is a diamond shape
junction
just north of Basin Bridge. In any case, the key stations for the
discusion
here are Madras Beach and Madras Park.

Beach: This station used to have both BG and MG. it was the terminus for
both BG and MG and I believe that a goods transshipment yard used
to be here. Also the old Ganga Kaveri express actually used to
terminate at Beach and there was a direct accross the platform
connection with the MG Rameshwaram portion. I dont think that it
was very popular so the GK express was diverted to Central. and the
MG connecting express was started from Egmore and
renamed Sethu Express.

Park. Amazingly, this station is only a few hundred feet from Central
(but
you have to walk through real filth to get from Park to Central).
This is the station where the MRTS separates from the BG line
towards Egmore. I have taken a lot of photos of MRTS in my last trip.
would anyone like to put them up on their web site?

Anand

Internet: anand@watson.email
External tel: (914) 784 7054
Notes: Rangachari Anand/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
Tie-line: 863 7054

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: Ultimate Indian Railways Simulator!

Date: 11 Dec 1998 08:29:23 -0500


> >Fascinating stuff. How is the input to your program
> organized? Is it
> a
> >matrix of stations with the values being the distances
> between them?
> Which
> >timetables did you use for the data?
>
> The database is in three parts. One, station's grid positions (real
> map);
> two is interstation track length (from TAAG, bradhaws, local
> TTs and rly
> maps with
> distance meters) and third is timetables (from TAAG, the
> semi-random web info, etc.). For station read interesting

I am going through your list of stations and quite a few of these are
within
sections that have been newly constructed and would be listed only in
the
latest zonal TTs or Bradshaw. What I am curious to know is how did you
find
all these names - do you have the latest railway map of India or the
latest
Bradshaw, or did you look at the online railway map on
www.indianrailway.com
- if not, what is your source?

Vijay

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: (Bad) Fish Smell Express and Other Important Trains

Date: 11 Dec 1998 17:54:26 -0500


Mandore is generally RT (right time) and they serve great breakfast.

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Shortest Distance Between Two Stations on IR

Date: 11 Dec 1998 20:17:54 -0500


Hi Gang,
I am very much here and nothing can distact me from trains. Of course I
have queries for you gang


Will some kind soul tell me more about
WAP1, 2,3,4,5,6 their similarities their differences, their max speed
etc
in short tthe nomenculture of these locos.

Also has anyone from the group seen the WAG 9 a green coloured smart
looking loco for freight, nomenculture for the same.
This was an ABB loco sighted at Old DELHI station, on 9/11/98.
I saw many of these also.

When I took the 2137 Dn Punjab Mail from Agra to Delhi, we had a WAM4/6p
loco could someone throw light on 6p. This loco was from Bhusawal shed,
and many others could be seen on other trains too. Can someone go to
Goa
via Miraj, Belgaum, Londa,CastleRock, and Madgaon, or do we still go to
Londa and then take an M.G. I mean does the Goa Express go right upto
Goa
or does it still go upto Londa/ Hubli as B.G., because when I last went
to
Pune in Sept. I saw the Goa Express and on the coach was writtten
Hazrat
Nizammudin - Hubli - Hazrat Nizammudin.

These days the Rajdhani Express to Mumbai is regularly late by an hour
and
more. Can we have a reason for this.

One very important thing I have noticed is that the Mumbai Rajdhani
departs BCT
AT 16.55 to reach NDLS AT 9.55 i.e 17 hours, and the final Kota - NDLS
run
takes about 6 hours ( pass Kota Jn. at 4.00 am) where as on return the
Raj
departs at 16.00 hrs and takes only 4 1/2 hrs to Kota to reach at 20.40
and Mumbai at 8.30. at BCT. Can some kind soul explain this phenomenon
of
Raj as it takes roughly around 16 and odd hours in the return journey.

By the way gang, the new train for Madgaon from Panvel is going to be
disastrous for KRC as which kind soul living in South Mumbai or at
Andheri
or Borivali or Bandra going to reach Panvel early in the morning to
catch
the train at 6.00 or 6.30 in the morning, and how is he going to reach
there ? It will be disastrous for KRC, instead even if they start a
train
from say Thane or Diva it will be fine. Viraf, Appu, your comments and
also members living around the city. There has to be some mode of
transport to reach Panvel, and the best I think is train from CST at
5.00
via Dadar ( so that WR side passengers can avail of these facilities)
then
Kurla, via harbour or else via Diva so that passengers upto Thane
Dombivali can take advantage and reach Panvel. Otherwise start the
train
from Kurla Terminus at 5.45 and the train can reach Madgaon at 13.00 and
return journey can start at 3.00 to reach Mumbai at say 10.00. This
idea
of starting from Panvel will prove to be disastrous. Come on friends
your
views needed !


PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: New page on the National Rail Museum...

Date: 12 Dec 1998 05:08:54 -0500




Bharat Vohra wrote:

> Hi All,
> I have put up a new page on the NRM...do check it out and get back to
me
> with your comments and feedback
>
> The URL is-
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/nrm.html">http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/nrm.html</A>
>
> Regards
> Bharat Vohra
>
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Loved the web page!

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: [Fwd: IRFC

Date: 12 Dec 1998 08:42:49 -0500



Gang !

More potential Indian members for the IRFCA! Please contribute to his
queries.
Krishna should start by explaining the clover shaped line arrangement at
Basin Bridge.
Thanks about the kind words about the IRFCA site

Apurva

KRISHNA T S wrote:

> Hi Apurva
>
> My name is Krishna and I am a train freak from Chennai. I chanced upon
> your website and was thrilled with it.
>
> It was really great seeing your website coz the WDM2 is one of the >
most beautiful locos ever built - and the best diesel loco of all > >
time. I was browsing a couple of sites in the US where they had >
photos of the bonnet-style diesel locos of the early 50s and 60s. > >
These are similar in > style to our own WDM1 class loco. They have >
some wonderful colour
> schemes and are good looking locos but are not as pretty as the WDM2.
> I'll send you a screensaver of these bonnet-style locos that I
> downloaded when I get a slightly faster net connection if you are
> interested.
>
> I have footplated twice - once between Pune and Kurduwadi on the
> Mumbai-Chennai Mail on a WDM2 from the Gooty shed and the second on a
> YDM4A from Golden Rock shed near Trichy on the Tirupati-Madurai >
Express
> between Katpadi and Villupuram. Brilliant Experiences. The BG Alco was
> running at 90-95 kmph upto Daund and was superb - especially since it
> was at night. The Daund-Kurduwadi section was travelled at a more >
sedate
> 70-80 kmph. The Gooty shed locos are apparently supposed to be among >
the
> best-maintained diesels along with those from Jhansi.
>
> Tell me something - does an Alco ever cross 110 kmph at any point? I >
was
> told recently that Alcos used to haul the Rajdhani expresses at speeds
> of upto 120 kmph in the 70s. Apparently they usually do not cross 105
> kmph - similar to the maximum speed permitted on the Mumbai-Pune DC
> section.
>
> One more question - sorry for the long mail - how does the AC-DC and
> vice-versa occur at Igatpuri? I understand that if the locos are of> >
the
> WCAM type, then one pantograph is lowered and the other raised when >
the
> loco is in motion. According to your website, your train (Pushpak) was
> hauled by a WCM5 upto Igatpuri and then a WAM4 was attached at >
Igatpuri
> platform. How does this happen??
>
> Reply soon
> Bye
> Krishna
>
>
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From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Panvel - Karjat link

Date: 12 Dec 1998 10:21:50 -0500


Vijay / Apurva,

Please find a reproduction of the recent news item which appeared
recently,
which may serve as an update to the mind of the railways in this
project.
The link is
<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19980714/19550914.html">http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19980714/19550914.html</A>

Rajan

Tuesday, July 14, 1998
Karjat-Panvel link chugs along
EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE

PUNE, July 13: A substantial provision of Rs 15 crore made in the
Railway
budget for 1998-99 for the Karjat-Panvel rail link has generated new
enthusiasm about its timely completion. The rail link has been scheduled
for
completion by March 2002.

Y G Patwardhan and G P Joshi, two activists of the Express Citizens'
Forum
which has been campaigning for the project, have welcomed the renewed
attention of the Railway Ministry to the vital link, crediting it to the
intervention of Minister of State Ram Naik.

The activists have suggested that long lead items like the 2.5-km tunnel
near Karjat and all bridges on the 28-km route should be taken up first,
preferably during this year itself.

Naik in a letter to the forum has also confirmed that tenders have
already
been opened for the work on the tunnel. A plan for taking up earthwork,
bridge and tunnel works has been drawn up.

When commissioned, the link would reduce the distance between Pune and
Mumbai by train by 22-km and the running time by more than 30 minutes.
It
would also provide a great relief to Karjat-Kalyan-Kurla suburban
section
which is at present functioning at 110 per cent of its rated capacity.
This
would improve the suburban service on the Central Railway.

The project was launched on January 29, 1996, during the tenure of the
then
Minister of State for Railways Suresh Kalmadi with an initial provision
of
Rs 12 crore as against the total estimated cost of Rs 89 crore. However,
not
even 10 per cent of the budget allocation was actually spent on the work
after Kalmadi had to relinquish his portfolio. The broadguage link, as
ECF
activist Joshi puts it, was later ``sidetracked'' by the railway
administration.

Ram Naik, who hails from Mumbai and who since the past several years had
been looking into the problems of the suburban rail traffic in greater
Mumbai, revived the project which is of great importance both to Pune
and
Mumbai.

Patwardhan and Joshi have hoped that the Railway Ministry would continue
to
make enough provisions in the budgets for the next few years and
commission
the link on schedule in the year 2002. However, they maintained that to
ensure the expeditious completion, Maharashtra government should share
the
cost either through CIDCO or through the newly formed Mumbai Railway
Vikas
Nigam. Alternatively, they suggest, the project could be handed over to
the
Konkan Railway Corporation.

What is envisaged in the first phase is only a single electrified
broadguage
line. For most of the important trains between Pune and Mumbai to be
diverted on this route a double line is imperative, they point out.
Besides,
a bridge in Mumbai allowing the transfer of the diverted through trains
from
this line to the main line between Kurla and Dadar is also necessary.

Once commissioned, important trains like Deccan Queen, Indrayani,
Shatabdi
and Pragati would take this new route. Instead of taking a detour on
reaching Karjat via Kalyan and Thane, these trains would turn left first
to
Panvel, then to Navi Mumbai and then enter the Mumbai island city via
Mankhurd.

A few upcountry trains running between Mumbai and the south also can
take
this shorter route.

Some other trains, however, will have to continue running via Kalyan to
provide a link for passengers from the south travelling further north. A
halt at Kalyan and Thane will also be necessary for these trains for the
convenience of the population in these two satellite cities of Brihan
Mumbai.

But diversion of superfast trains is not the only gain of the link. Much
of
the goods traffic from the Jawaharlal Nehru port at Nhava Sheva to the
southern states would be diverted on this route, thereby taking a
substantial load off the main line between Kalyan and Karjat.


>> What's happening with the Karjat-Panvel link? During my rendezvous
with
>> the MRSP gang at Pune (summer of '95) I recall an ex-railway official
>> mentioning that Panvel-Karjat would provide a shorter Mumbai-Pune
route
>> via Kurla-Vashi-Panvel-Karjat and would provide some relief to the
>> over-saturated route via Thane-Kalyan.

>There are some serious tunnels to be constructed - likes of Parsik
tunnel -
>the survey is complete and the land acquisition is in progress. I have
heard
>(but not confirmed) that there is actually a valley between two
mountain
>range and this line would take advantage of following the natural
contours.
>This line would have to use the Konkan Rail tracks until say little
after
>Panvel and then divert to the East. What would come first the 25 Kv
>electrification or this new line ?
>In future the Shatabdi - Deccan Queen - Pragati would leave the main
line
at
>Kurla (and thereby blocking the Up through and Suburban track as they
cross
>?) take a turn to the right and then take the Kurla - Chembur -
Mankhurd -
>Vashi - Panvel - Karjat track thereby bypassing the Thana, Parsik and
Kalyan
>Jn altogether. The entry for the this track on the Mumbai Pune track is
near
>Vangni or Shelu and not exactly at Karjat.
>

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Panvel - Karjat link

Date: 12 Dec 1998 10:32:45 -0500


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 
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 
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Chiplun                  d 1126
Panvel                   d 1500
Thane                    d 1547
Mumbai CST          d 1640
 
The train will operate with one rake of 12 coaches and following composition
2 General Second Luggage cum Guard Brake
2 A/c chair car
1 pantry car  
7 Second class
Tatkal scheme will be applicable for both ACCH and II S classes
 
Rajan
 
>> The 7 hr. Panvel-Madgaon run falls withing the range established by IR.
>> Let's say the train departs from Panvel around 6.30 am - it would reach
>> Madgaon by 1.30 pm.  Even with an hour layover at Madgaon it would make
>> it to Panvel by 9.30 pm.  Extending it to say, Kurla, would add another
>> 1 1/2 hrs. and 8 1/2 hrs. is a little too much for a single-rake day
>> train (at least that's what the IR folks believe!).  It can be done -
>> dep. Kurla 5.40 am; arr. Madgaon 2.10 pm;  dep. Madgaon 2.40 pm; arr.
>> Kurla 11.10 pm.

>Panvel seems to have crew rest area which is essential to start trains very
>early. Unless the drivers stay close to the starting station they prefer
>staying in running rooms into which they check in, the previous night. The
>responsibility of waking a driver up on time then lies with  the running
>room staff ! In a place like Mumbai CSTM, many drivers stay in Kalyan and
>hence come to the CSTM running room earlier night to work early morning
>trains like Gitanjali, Indrayani etc.

 
>For a train working from say Kurla to Mangalore, my guess is that Konkan
>Railway WDM 2 drivers must be working Kurla - Ratnagiri stretch then another
>crew from Ratnagiri to Madgaon and the third set of drivers from Madgaon to
>Mangalore.

 
This is correct since in my recent travel to Mangalore, one driver does the Madgaon - Mangalore - Madgaon section, while Madgaon - Ratnagiri Route handled by another driver.  
 
>Coming to the question of one rake not exceeding 8 hours or so per run, how
>about two rakes ? My guess is that each 2nd class day coach costs around 18
>lakhs or so, hence we are not talking of a extreme capital expenditure vs
>revenue earning service. Let me have your guesstimate about the cost of a
>rake. I feel the IR needs more coach building facility, many projects are
>pending because a lack of a rake. I know ICF Chennai makes 4 regular coaches
>a day, apart from special coaches like DMUs, Rajdhani Power car etc. I am
>sure the RCF Kapurthala around 8 or 10 coaches per day. Other coach builders
>like Jessops (still around ?) and Bharat Earth Movers Ltd (BEML) also
>supplement but all this in just not enough.

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: New page on the National Rail Museum...

Date: 12 Dec 1998 18:39:52 -0500


Bharat,

A very good page especially for folks like me who've not yet visited
Delhi
(and the NRM)

Rajan

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: (Bad) Fish Smell Express and Other Important Trains

Date: 12 Dec 1998 18:43:39 -0500


Dear L Webber,
Please find the additions and comments to your list

0111 MUMBAI - MADGAON EXP
+ Konkan Railway Express - this name is as per the board on the train
but does not figure in any other reference.
New Train
+ 1035 Mumbai CST - Mysore Express
1065 KURLA - VARANASI EXP
+ Renumbered 2165/2166 Kurla (T) - Varanasi Ratnagiri Superfast Express
and converted to Superfast
I am of the opinion that the name Ratnagiri is misleading and the
railways
must revise the name for this train
1067 KURLA - FAIZABAD SAKET EXP
+ This is converted to a Superfast and renumbered 2167/2168
1081 MUMBAI - KANNIYAKUMARI JAYANTI JANATA EXP
The words Jayanti Janata are not officially used on either the train or
the
timetable or any official reference. However the name continues to be
used
by the traveller.
1403 KURLA - MANMAD EXP
+ named the Godavari Express
As mentioned earlier ... why are there two sets of Godavari Expresses.
is it a case of a CR and SCR tussle ??
2617 ERNAKULAM - NIZAMUDDIN MANGALA LAKSHADWEEP EXP
Mangala derives its name from the Mangala Temple at Mangalore,
In the case to name each train after a particular state like the TN, AP,
Kerala, GOA expresses etc, the name Lakshadweep was added to this after
the
islands west of Cochin of the same name.
2619 KURLA - MANGALORE Matsyagandha Superfast EXP
2715 AMRITSAR - NANDED Sachkhand EXP
2955 MUMBAI - JAIPUR EXP
This train had the name Durgapura Superfast Express for sometime after
being
introduced. However no current reference to the name is observed.
2961 BANDRA - INDORE AVANTIKA EXP
+ This train has reverted to its original terminus of Mumbai Central
recently.
6031 CHENNAI - JAMMU Andaman EXP
Similar case to the Lakshadweep, this train which terminates at Chennai
on
the east coast bears the name Andaman after the Andaman Islands
6701 CHENNAI - QUILON SETHU EXP
+ The train is the 6701 Chennai - Rameshwaram Sethu Express
+ There is a new train Kolhapur - Tirupati Express with number 7315
(Unconfirmed number) via Hubli and Guntakal
9019 MUMBAI - DEHRADUN EXP
+ The train has changed terminals and runs out of Bandra Terminus now

Rajan Mathew

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