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From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re:Fw:Fw: Times Man of the Century... (fwd)

Date: 24 Nov 1998 08:51:27 -0500


Hello,
Apurva, I'll second that. Lets stick to the trains.
Best regards.
Shankar


At 01:59 PM 11/24/98 +0530, you wrote:
>Gang !
>
>With all due respects to the great man Mahatma Gandhi - we are actually
>following his principles in being true to our beliefs - the love of
Indian
>Railway, in the truest sense, without any ulterior motive or greed.
>There are many other places where canvassing can be done - I urge
Vaibhav
>and others to leave the IRFCA pure, simple, true and out of any other
>issues but the Railways discussions.
>
>Apurva Bahadur
>
>
>Vaibhav Galriya wrote:
>
>> >
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Time Magazine is conducting a poll for the 'Person Of The
Century'.
>> >>At present Mahatma Gandhi is at rank 7. So if you would want
>> >> to vote please go to the site
>> >>
>> >> <A HREF="http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/poc/century.html">http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/poc/century.html</A>
>> ><<A HREF="http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/poc/century.html>">http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/poc/century.html></A>
>> >>
>> >> Forward it to as many friends as you can.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Let's try & make our Mahatma , the person of the century.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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From: VIRAL DESAI <>

Subject:

Date: 24 Nov 1998 09:57:46 -0500


Hi folks,

Just found something on the net . Check it out .


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Do your Young Beclawed Ones just love to play with trains? Well, dear
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this
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two
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software.

The new layouts include Swarthout and Kulp Creek, which offer new
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3D Railroad Master is the best railroad simulation game ever created,
Engineer Crust confides. You can select from a wide variety of rolling
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cargo and assign it to the appropriate car type.

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difficulty,
use or edit the predefined pickup and delivery schedules, and make
things
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The $59.99 software runs on Power Macs and Windows 95, 98, and NT
machines.
The new layouts are free. You can also download a free demo of the
software
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(and sheepishly worried that certain friends of his would smack him
upside
the shell).

Check it out at

<A HREF="http://www.abracadata.com/3dMNewLayout_text.html">http://www.abracadata.com/3dMNewLayout_text.html</A>



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From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: timetable question.

Date: 24 Nov 1998 10:20:34 -0500



Will someone with South-Eastern Railway timetable help me in
scheduling my trip.

What are the trains (including passenger trains) on the
Talcher-Sambalpur track. (By the way, is it electrified.)

I need to go from Bhubaneshwar to Sambalpur anytime after
25th Dec. evening.

My preference will be to travel Talcher-Sambalpur in daytime.
So the best thing will be to start on 26th morning, and reach
Sambalpur on 26th evening. If the distance is more than a
day journey, I will prefer to leave Bhuwaneshwar on 25th
evening, reach Talcher by night. Stay there overnight, and
start again in the morning. (Can someone also check if Talcher
has retiring rooms.)

Thanks in advance,

-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638
(Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
Home Page: <A HREF="http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj">http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj</A>

From: prakash <>

Subject: Railway Lingo

Date: 24 Nov 1998 17:11:03 -0500




Hi Folks,

Sometimes back, there were quite a few postings about
Indian and American train lingo. Look at
<A HREF="http://www.uprr.com/uprr/ffh/rrtalk/">http://www.uprr.com/uprr/ffh/rrtalk/</A> for some more.

Union Pacific site also has some good loco shots, including
steam.

Prakash

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: net loss!

Date: 24 Nov 1998 19:01:47 -0500




Hi!

Henceforth, please divert all my mails to new mail id smg@goderj.email

net is removed! Next time give a try.

Thanks,

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: CHANGE IN EMAIL ADDRESS.

Date: 24 Nov 1998 19:42:54 -0500


> PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE IN MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM SNCF@GODREJNET.EMAIL TO
> SNCF@GODREJ.EMAIL

Hey, I just noticed: SNCF is the French Railways.
Did you do this deliberately ? :)

--
Jayant S : ID Studio : Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(212)774261 ext 2534 : FAX 91(212)773191
--

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re:Fw:Fw: Times Man of the Century... (fwd)

Date: 24 Nov 1998 20:45:43 -0500


> Hello,
> Apurva, I'll second that. Lets stick to the trains.
> Best regards.
> Shankar
>
> At 01:59 PM 11/24/98 +0530, you wrote:
> >Gang !
> >
> >With all due respects to the great man Mahatma Gandhi - we are
actually
> >following his principles in being true to our beliefs - the love of
Indian
> >Railway, in the truest sense, without any ulterior motive or greed.
> >There are many other places where canvassing can be done - I urge
Vaibhav
> >and others to leave the IRFCA pure, simple, true and out of any other
> >issues but the Railways discussions.

I'm thirding it. IRFCA is a GREAT list: let's
stick to what we love best.


--
Jayant S : ID Studio : Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(212)774261 ext 2534 : FAX 91(212)773191
--

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: CHANGE IN EMAIL ADDRESS.

Date: 24 Nov 1998 20:46:39 -0500



> > PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE IN MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM SNCF@GODREJNET.EMAIL
TO
> > SNCF@GODREJ.EMAIL
>
> Hey, I just noticed: SNCF is the French Railways.
> Did you do this deliberately ? :)

Yes Jayant the French Freak did this deliberately.

Regards
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re:Fw:Fw: Times Man of the Century... (fwd)

Date: 24 Nov 1998 21:09:48 -0500


On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, Jayant S wrote:

> > Hello,
> > Apurva, I'll second that. Lets stick to the trains.
> > Best regards.
> > Shankar
> >
> > At 01:59 PM 11/24/98 +0530, you wrote:
> > >Gang !
> > >
> > >With all due respects to the great man Mahatma Gandhi - we are
actually
> > >following his principles in being true to our beliefs - the love of
Indian
> > >Railway, in the truest sense, without any ulterior motive or greed.
> > >There are many other places where canvassing can be done - I urge
Vaibhav
> > >and others to leave the IRFCA pure, simple, true and out of any
other
> > >issues but the Railways discussions.
>
> I'm thirding it. IRFCA is a GREAT list: let's
> stick to what we love best.

AND I AM FOURTHING IT. THIS INDEED IS A GREAT LIST. I LOVE BEING ON IT.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Modern Diesel Locomotives

Date: 24 Nov 1998 21:42:51 -0500


Thanks Prakash for this mail,

Are the American locos single operator driven ? Meaning that there is no
guard and there is no assistant driver ?

Apurva

prakash@us.email wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I received a book, "Modern Diesel Locomotives" by Hans
> Halberstadt from Amazon. 94 pages of good information and
> wonderful colour pictures. One reader commented at Amazon.com
> site that this book is like National Geographic devoting whole
> issue for locos. It's $10.36 plus shipping.
>
> He received co-operation from Amtrak, CalTrain, Santa Fe,
> Union Pacific and Burlington Northern, to name a few.
> Pictures from cab are great! I'll place a few on web soon.
>
> Here is a passage from book that describes the function of
> FRED and how to start train.
>
> 1) Release automatic brakes (train line brakes), if set.
> 2) Ensure that generator field is on.
> 3) (Set) Reversor to forward
> 4) Wait for 15 sec until brakes on rear cars have chance to
> release.
> 5) Throttle to Run 1 the first notch above idle.
> 6) Gradually release independent engine brake with power applied
> to control speed (at) 0.5 mile until all the coupler slack is taken
up.
> 7) Monitor FRED for the signal indicating that rear car is in motion.
> 8) Throttle to Run 2 until amperage begins to decline, then Run 3
> 9) Monitor amperage to avoid more than 900 amps. while starting.
> Increase throttle progressively up to Run 8 or to maintain desired
speed.
>
> "You are essentially the manager of slack," engineer Mel Wilson said.
> "A typical 100 car freight train with standard draft gear will have 6
> inches of slack for each car -- 50 feet of slack in the whole train."
>
> Prakash

From: Rajesh Gandhi <>

Subject: new e-mail address

Date: 24 Nov 1998 22:38:23 -0500


Dear Sir,

please note change in my e-mail address from rshreeji@bom5.email
TO gandhir4@hotmail.email.
please divert all my mail at new address.
RAJESH

From: Srinivas Reddy, Kondu (IE10) <>

Subject: Hi All. Please remove from the mailing list. I will be out of the town.

Date: 25 Nov 1998 01:39:52 -0500


Hi All,

Please remove from the mailing list. I will be out of the town for
couple of weeks. I will inform you whenever I am back.

Thanks,
KSReddy

From: C.L.Zeni <>

Subject: Re: Modern Diesel Locomotives

Date: 25 Nov 1998 04:15:37 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Thanks Prakash for this mail,
>
> Are the American locos single operator driven ? Meaning that there is
no
> guard and there is no assistant driver ?

That depends. Generally the answer is no. However, on Amtrak's
Northeast Corridor (Washington DC-New York-Boston) there is only the
engineer. Nearly every other railroad in the USA uses at least three
man crews - engineer, conductor (guard), brakeman. As the caboose
(guard's van) is long gone here, all ride in the locomotive(s) up
front. A couple of railroads use only two man crews, but they are the
exception rather than the rule.
--
Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com

<A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Modern Diesel Locomotives

Date: 25 Nov 1998 06:47:52 -0500


C.L.Zeni wrote:
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Prakash for this mail,
> >
> > Are the American locos single operator driven ? Meaning that there
is no
> > guard and there is no assistant driver ?
>
> That depends. Generally the answer is no. However, on Amtrak's
> Northeast Corridor (Washington DC-New York-Boston) there is only the
> engineer.

The new contract between Amtrak and BLE has expanded use of single
operator locomotives considerably. Amtrak is now using it on most crew
territories that have a full duty run of less than six hours, even
outside the NEC. In addition, most commuter agencies - NJTransit, LIRR,
MNCR, MBTA, MARC, etc. use single operator locomotives extensively.

Of course in all these cases as well as in the case of Amtrak, there is
a Conductor that rides in the train and has radio communication with
both the locomotive operator and the dispatcher. Additionally, Amtrak
trains now have a satellite based data communication system that
connects an on board (PC based) terminal to the Amtrak control center in
Wilmington DE. This allows on board train crew to sell vacant reserved
accommodation on board among other things, without inadvertently bumping
someone who is sold the same accommodation at a station.

Jishnu.

From: abalchan <>

Subject: Net Administration

Date: 25 Nov 1998 06:49:31 -0500


Hello everyone,
We complain when someone posts about voting for the Man of all
Time, but do nothing when there are countless posts about :-
1. Get me off this list
2. Please change my subscription to another email address
3. Please sign up a friend to this address.

I suggest members of this alias figure out how to conform to the
administrative commands and strongly urge the list maintainer to enforce
consistent rules to maintain healthy dialog.

This blatant excuse to post administrative requests to ALL
members is a terrible waste of Network time.

Your comments are welcome.
Anil Balchandani

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: timetable question.

Date: 25 Nov 1998 08:01:39 -0500


 

Dheeraj Sanghi wrote:

Will someone with South-Eastern Railway timetable help me in
scheduling my trip.

Ok Dheeraj, here is info from the 1998 SE tt ->

 
What are the trains (including passenger trains) on the
Talcher-Sambalpur track. (By the way, is it electrified.)

The  seems to be a new line - last years TT does not list this (TLHR - SBP) route at all, and the map shows that this track is under construction. This year's tt still has the same map, but lists two trains that use that route. As per the map Talcher is a dead end, at the end of a 'Y' while the station on the main line from, Cuttack to Sambalpur & Jharsuguda is Talcher thermal. The distance between the two Talcher stations is only 4 Kms.  The track is single and uneletrified (diesel lovers - say Yeh !). The distance between TLHR & SBP is 175 Kms and two trains work this stretch.

8551 Dn. Bhubhasneswar - Rourkela Exp - TLHR arr/dep - 2315/2335, SBP arr/dep  0410/0430
212 Dn Puri - Sambalpur Passenger - TLHR arr/dep - 1210/1245. SBP arr 1755. (II class only)

I need to go from Bhubaneshwar to Sambalpur anytime after
25th Dec. evening.

>From BBS to SBP you could take these very trains trains:
 

You could take the 212 Dn Puri - SBP passenger mentioned earlier - BBS arr/dep -0635/0640
And the 8451Dn. BBS - ROU express - BBS dep 1945

My preference will be to travel Talcher-Sambalpur in daytime.
So the best thing will be to start on 26th morning, and reach
Sambalpur on 26th evening. If the distance is more than a
day journey, I will prefer to leave Bhuwaneshwar on 25th
evening, reach Talcher by night. Stay there overnight, and
start again in the morning. (Can someone also check if Talcher
has retiring rooms.)

Talcher has no retiring rooms although SBP has two non AC beds (dorm ?) at Rs. 110 (steep for a one horse town !) per day.

Gang, I feel a twinge a jealousy here - the lucky guy is getting to travel all these pristine routes - the heart of India and home turf of the Indian Railways ! Let me know if you need any more details from the S|E tt.

From: Vaibhav Galriya <>

Subject: Fw: Please forward to all Indians

Date: 25 Nov 1998 08:03:36 -0500





Dear friends,

>>There is an opinion poll going on by Myasa.
>>Go, Vote kashmir to be part of India.
>>
>><A HREF="http://www.myasa.com/kashmirmonitor/index.html">http://www.myasa.com/kashmirmonitor/index.html</A>
>>
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re:Fw: Please forward to all Indians

Date: 25 Nov 1998 08:27:04 -0500


Vaibhav - stop it - this is bordering on spam. The IRFCA is not a place
for this.

Apurva

Vaibhav Galriya wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> >>There is an opinion poll going on by Myasa.
> >>Go, Vote kashmir to be part of India.
> >>
> >><A HREF="http://www.myasa.com/kashmirmonitor/index.html">http://www.myasa.com/kashmirmonitor/index.html</A>
> >>
> >>Be fair & just Vote only once.
> >>
> >>
> >>______________________________________________________
> >>Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>
> >
> >
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From: prakash <>

Subject: Re: Modern Diesel Locomotives

Date: 25 Nov 1998 09:07:26 -0500





Hi Apurva,

Jishnu has already answered part of your question. I may add CalTrain
and Capitol Express in SF Bay area that is operated by Amtrak to his
single operator list. Same holds true for LA basin and LA - San Diego
corridor.

The normal working shift for crew is 12 hours in US. They receive call
2 hours in advance. If for any reason, crew cannot finish the trip in
12 hours, relief crew must be sent according to rules, either by road or
by rail.

This makes a real challenging life for an engineer, especially on
freight routes. The power may vary from one model to another, route
could be on plains, ghats or just curvy.

Freight trains on Alaska Railroad, Union Pacific and Santa Fe have
double
crew in cab, Engineer and Brakesman. I believe the same holds true to
other railroads, too.

Crew on passenger trains on Alaska Railroad work 12 hour shift and have
two members. Short hops like Anchorage - Whittier (2 hrs) and Portage -
Whittier (45 min.) have double crew, too. It may be surprising to know
that
Alaska Railroad has no signals. The entire operation works with
wireless communication due to low volume and limited routes.

Prakash



Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email on 11/24/98 09:42:51 PM

To: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM
cc: irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: Modern Diesel Locomotives





Thanks Prakash for this mail,

Are the American locos single operator driven ? Meaning that there is no
guard and there is no assistant driver ?

Apurva

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: TVC Raj

Date: 25 Nov 1998 11:41:51 -0500


Hi Folks,

After comparing relevant sections from the 1997 and 1998 TAAG
timetables,
I figured out that the TVC Raj has reduced its commercial speed after
being
re-routed via KR. Let's look at the NZM-TVC Raj as an example:

Route Kms. Travel Time
Commercial Speed
via Chennai 3105 45 hrs.
~69
kmph.
via KR 2855 42.5 hrs
~67
kmph.

Initially, I thought that the KR section is the killer but not so.
The
Mangalore-TVC section is the culprit. Here is the break-up:

Section Kms. Travel Time
Commertical Speed
NZM-Vasai 1330 16 hrs 55 mts
78.62 kmph
Vasai-Panvel 56 1 hr 22 mts
40.98
Panvel-Kankanadi 832 11 hrs 23 mts
73.09
Kankanadi-TVC 637 12 hrs 10 mts 52.36

Since, Vasai-Panvel is only about 2% of the distance, its contribution
to
the commercial speed is insignificant. However, Kankanadi-TVC accounts
for
nearly 22% of the route and does adversely affect the overall speed.
Hopefully, the doubling and subsequent electrification of Ernakulam-TVC
will
reduce the run-time in this section. Despite being a completely
single-line
section, Panvel-Kankanadi performs remarkably well.

Vijay

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