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From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Tank loco sent to UK
Date: 12 Nov 1998 00:15:29 -0500
Gang !
I remember reading about a ER tank (Katwa - Islampur ?), or the ones
homing at Bankura (on the SER) being exported to some preservation
society in the UK. This loco will be restored to run in steam on some
private track. I read this story in some old Indian Railway mag and
there was a picture of this loco in the air in a crane sling. I have
all these IR Mag issues safely with me - I have to find the time to
locate that issue and upload it for all of you.
Apurva
From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Driver's idea of time
Date: 12 Nov 1998 00:37:12 -0500
Gang !
A curious habit of many drivers - If you ask them the time - they
would answer only the minutes of the hour - like 'thirty five' or
'fifty two'. It is assumed that you know the hour in any case. I think
this habit comes from another footplate practice where only the
minutes when a train is supposed to pass a station are mentioned -
'Vangni passing at forty' - the hour is supposed to be known by you
for that train if you are a true railwayman.
One amazing quality that many (more experienced) assistant drivers
have is remembering the signal numbers specially near Mumbai. There
are four tracks in the suburban Mumbai and a maze of signals in the
automatic block section. They remember the hundreds of signals and
their numbers while ignoring the signals that are not meant for them.
In the automatic block section the signal is normally green if the
track is clear.. They call out S43 green, S46 green, S52 double yellow
! Then they give the explanation for the double yellow - ' 1022 Local
up ahead'. I am amazed at their spatial awareness and the ability to
filter out the info they require from the many inputs without
referring to any book or manual.
Many drivers of more laid back areas of the IR like the Pune -
Kolhapur single line track serve as time keepers themselves. Many
folks who cross the train while working in farms etc. (and have no
watches) wave to the driver and point to their wrists. The driver then
calls out the time by his fingers. Twelve hours is ten upheld fingers
followed by two fingers then followed by the approximate minutes.
Apurva
From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: Exhibition on Wheels!!
Date: 12 Nov 1998 04:10:58 -0500
. A transparent model of WDS shunter by CLW
was great with all the parts shown.
An acrylic transparent model of WDS 4 as well as WDM 2 was in the exhibits. The WDM2 cab sported low backrest stools which must have come with the original Alcos
I wonder why should the paintings of the British trains be displayed in
an Indian Railway Exhibition.
I saw that too but did not take the apparent insult to heart. Most of these exhibition are designed by servants of Bharat Sarkar who care two hoots about the IR or its history.
The attendants in the coaches seemed to be in a great hurry for they kept
on "shouting" - Keep on moving.
Every time he would say 'Agey Bhadate Rahiye' I would move forward a bit - then I realized that he really cannot see if you are bunched over an exhibit - he was sitting right last coach and was saying that as part of his job - so I waited and hung around the areas I wanted to spend time in. Most of the exhibits were also included in the static rail fair in 1996 at Pune - Did you see that event, Viraf / Shrinivas ? There was a live steamer modeled on a YP from Gorakhpur shed - the guys who accompanied the loco complained that good coal was not available for the loco in Pune but were generally pleased to get such a overwhelming response from the Pune junta.
The only thing new that I learnt from this exhibition was that
Shimiliguda is the highest station in India at 998mtrs. This station is on
the Visakhapatnam - Kirandul line.
The new Indian Rail mag (of August 98) has a full blown feature on this section of the railways. I hope we can do this section once (before we die ?). Our good friend Mr. Bhandare from the Model Railway society Pune has done this line, in the line of duty. He traveled on the all day passenger from Waltair to Kirandul, he was the only passenger in the entire first class coach, as the train traveled in the remotest part of India on a line meant only for minerals - the down side of the story - he remained hungry through the trip - the stations en route are not really geared to handle passengers and their needs.
Viraf - do you remember that this 'hunger during the rail travel' happened to us as well. We were stuck at Hotgi Jn - where we had gone to see the YP & YG loco shed - we were looking at only oily deep fried chilies and nothing else that was available on the HG platform. So we thought prudent to come back to Solapur to eat at the station - we came back in style though - on the footplate of a YP !
On this trip Viraf & I footplated on successive trains :
Kurduwadi - Solapur (BG) (WDM 2 Jumbo, long hood leading)
Solapur - Hotgi (BG) (YP)
Hotgi - Solapur (MG) (YP)
Solapur - Tadwal (MG) (YP)
Tadwal - Solapur (MG) (YDM 4 - long hood leading)
Solapur - Daund (BG) (WDM 2 - Jumbo model this time too - short hood leading)
From Daund to Pune the new driver taking charge threw us off the footplate so we traveled in the first coach. I stay in Pune but Viraf footplated overnight further to Mumbai on the 1082 Up in the rear cab of a WCM 2 (so give him half the mileage for that !).
From: Harsh Vardhan <>
Subject: Re: Hugh Hughes' books
Date: 12 Nov 1998 06:56:24 -0500
>I had to chance to glimpse through this book while having lunch with
Satish,
>the other day. This is, indeed, a treasure for electric loco. fans
like
me.
>I am planning to purchase it and add it to my collection of IR books.
The
>cover shows a WDM2 hauling the New Delhi - Goa Exp. What caught my
>attention was the distinct livery - red on top, cream in the middle and
>green at the bottom. Could someone confirm that the Goa exp. has
acquired
a
>distinct livery? If this is true then IR may have started repainting
select
>prestigious trains in colorful liveries. This would definitely make
>train-spotting more fun.
Sorry to spoil you fun(and with apologies to my friend I.S. Anand who
contributed that picture) but this is definately not Goa Express. Having
travelled in this train on more than a couple of occasions in the past
few
months, I failed to notice anything new about its livery. Also, seen at
the
helm of the affairs is a SR loco, very unlikely for Goa Express !
In all probability, it is a SR train(Udyan perhaps). Can someone throw
any
light please?
HARSH
From: Prakash Tendulkar <>
Subject: Drivers & Signal #s
Date: 12 Nov 1998 08:14:35 -0500
Apurva,
Apparently, there exists a difference between WR and CR loco
drivers. In mid 70s, when A-grade driver, Mr. Martin, rammed
his rake into a stationary EMU at Vasai Outer, he had passed
a blown signal between Naigaon advanced starter and Vasai outer
without noticing it. A trial conducted later by Signals dept.
proved that all but one trains driven by locos failed to notice
the SAME signal when it was blown. On the other hand, every
motorman stopped his EMU at the blown signal before proceeding
further.
Viraf, can you verify this with Mr. Bharucha who retired
lately from WR?
This accident resulted in creation of blinking red lights in
suburban EMUs on WR.
Prakash
From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>
Subject: Re: train liveries
Date: 12 Nov 1998 08:38:13 -0500
>
> Sorry to spoil you fun(and with apologies to my friend I.S. Anand who
> contributed that picture) but this is definately not Goa
> Express. Having
> travelled in this train on more than a couple of occasions in
> the past few
> months, I failed to notice anything new about its livery.
> Also, seen at the
> helm of the affairs is a SR loco, very unlikely for Goa Express !
>
> In all probability, it is a SR train(Udyan perhaps). Can
> someone throw any
> light please?
If I recall the picture, it was at a station within an AC-electrified
section; so it couldn't have been the Udyan Exp. since the only section
where it is single-headed is Pune-Solapur.
So, the question remains - what train is it?
Since we are on the topic of liveries, I would like to request anyone
who
happens to spot a distinct liveried train (other than Rajdhani/Shatabdi)
to
share that with the net. As you may guessed, I love to keep track of
train
liveries and would, ideally, like to have a photo/video collection of
all
the distinct liveries on IR.
Also, how many IR trains, at present, have the honor of being hauled by
a
loco. with matched livery? With the advent of WCAM2/3, trains from
Mumbai
such as the Deccan Queen, Pragati, Rajdhani, A.K.Raj have been
(temporarily?) knocked off this list. How about other
Rajdhanis/Shatabdis
that change locos. during their run such as Calcutta Raj via Patna,
Lucknow
Shatabdi, Bokaro Shatabdi, Bangalore Raj.? Has IR taken pains to ensure
that there would always be a matched-livery loco. available at the
changeover point?
With so many Rajdhanis and Shatabdis plying IR tracks, they no longer
'stand
out' from the crowd, so to speak. As a result, rake maintenance has
definitely taken a turn for the worse with translucent windows and
broken
equipment. I have actually spotted the A.K. Raj and the Bangalore Raj.
with
a Shatabdi-type generator car something I never thought would happen to
a
Rajdhani. I still have fond memories of the 80s when we had just two
Rajdhanis - Delhi to Bombay and Howrah. There used to a special counter
at
Bombay Central for the Raj. where ticket booklets (similar to airlines)
used
to be issued. The service was impeccable and basically everyone got
their
money's worth.
Vijay
From: Larry Russell <>
Subject: Re: train liveries
Date: 12 Nov 1998 09:20:45 -0500
(snip)
>Since we are on the topic of liveries, I would like to request anyone
who
>happens to spot a distinct liveried train (other than
Rajdhani/Shatabdi) to
>share that with the net. As you may guessed, I love to keep track of
train
>liveries and would, ideally, like to have a photo/video collection of
all
>the distinct liveries on IR.
I also would like to know, The WDM2's that I saw had quite a variety of
paint schemes, quite apart from the trains they hauled.
Larry
From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Daboo's book
Date: 12 Nov 1998 10:06:19 -0500
Gang !
Goa express is a plain vanilla (red oxide) IR rake which used to be run (in the days Daboo was here in India) by the Northern Rail (2479/80) and shared its rake with NDLS - VSKP (Vishakhapatnam) express. I have never seen the Goa Exp (referred to as 'Super' by all the drivers due to its superfast status) in any special livery. When Daboo was in Pune Dr. Yande and I accompanied him to the electric and the diesel sheds. Next day I took him footplating to Daund and back. Well not quite back. We footplated to DD on the 0730 passenger to Daund and did the rounds of the Daund platform, ex steam shed, visit to the foreman, NG platform, up yard etc. On the way back the first train was the Up Goa express which had just arrived from Manmad and was to go Pune after reversing the loco. I had requested the loco foreman to inform the driver to allow us on the footplate. But the information did not get through, and the driver firmly refused us entry on the footplate. Hence we had to travel standing back to Pune in the first coach of the 'Super'. Daboo had a small automatic (non SLR) camera which he carried in his pant pocket. Before you knew it, he would whip the camera out shoot the picture and the camera would disappear back into his pocket. With a benign look on his face he would go on recording the IR on film and on a notepad quite meticulously. This was his brush with the Goa Express. Since then the driver who refused us that day has come to recognize me as a harmless nut (fool ?) and I have traveled with him on a few occasions.
If I.S. Anand has contributed this picture and if I remember the colours correctly AND if this picture is of a TKD (Tughlakabad, you ignorant lot) loco then I think I know the origins of this picture. Gang who has this book, please confirm if this is the picture of a smoky TKD loco. If it is a SR loco can you identify the shed ?
PS: I just called IS Anand and he says it is a KJM (Krishnarajapuram near Bangalore) loco on the cover which he claims is Goa Exp at Pune - No way - I have NEVER seen a KJM loco on a north bound train like Goa or Jhelum. The Up Goa Super always had an Itarsi power which went to Miraj and came back next day hauling the Down Super. In case of the Itarsi power pranging, a Pune loco would take the train. I am quite sure about this. The only KJM hauled north bound train in our area is the 2627/28 Karnatak Exp. In Pune you could see the KJM power on the 6529/30 Udhyan Exp, the 1017/1018 CLAT (Kurla Terminus) - SBC (Bangalore) Express via Miraj. It is now much more common to see Guntakal power which power all the South bound loads. Also becoming a rare sight is a (GY) Gooty power because the GY shed is converted to home WDG 2s and its locos have been transferred to the new (or converted MG shed) shed at Guntakal.
Apurva
How do you solve a problem like I.S. Anand ? Try as I might (and Viraf and Harsh would) he just would not take up internet. 'Why do I need a computer ?' (sounds familiar ?) - Maybe all of us 100 members of the IRFCA should sign a joint request and push him closer towards a computer and eventually the IRFCA. Gang who do not know Anand personally will never know my agony - he is a walking talking encyclopedia of IR and he is not available for his expert comment because he is not computer enabled !
Sorry to spoil you fun(and with apologies to my friend I.S. Anand who
contributed that picture) but this is definately not Goa Express. Having
travelled in this train on more than a couple of occasions in the past few
months, I failed to notice anything new about its livery. Also, seen at the
helm of the affairs is a SR loco, very unlikely for Goa Express !
In all probability, it is a SR train(Udyan perhaps). Can someone throw any
light please?
HARSH
From: Anne Ogborn <>
Subject: American models suitable for converting to IR locos
Date: 12 Nov 1998 11:01:32 -0500
Athearn sells the PA-1 for $44.50 - You can buy the mechanism without
the body for $40.50
Athearn FM trainmaster's are $36.50
Anybody know if these are "old Athearn" or "new Athearn"?
Stewart Hobbies sells a Baldwin AS-16 on an Athearn drive for $45
A number of manufacturers sell RS-1's. Atlas markets a Kato made one I
can personally vouch for.
Another alternative would be a steam engine. Should be easy to
"Indianize" a Baldwin built
US steamer. Don't know how you handle the smokebox front.
(Hmm.. off the immediate topic, but Roco puts out a Chinese
Canton-Kowloon KCRC 2000)
Annie
From: Roger G. Morris <>
Subject: Re: Daboo's book
Date: 12 Nov 1998 12:04:45 -0500
In message <364B239A.1DE23667@giaspn01.email Apurva Bahadur
<iti@giaspn01.email writes
<snip>
> If I.S. Anand has contributed this picture and if I remember the
> colours correctly AND if this picture is of a TKD (Tughlakabad, you
> ignorant lot) loco then I think I know the origins of this picture.
> Gang who has this book, please confirm if this is the picture of a
> smoky TKD loco. If it is a SR loco can you identify the shed ?
>
> PS: I just called IS Anand and he says it is a KJM
> (Krishnarajapuram near Bangalore) loco on the cover which he claims
> is Goa Exp at Pune - No way - I have NEVER seen a KJM loco on a
> north bound train like Goa or Jhelum.
I may be picking some of this up halfway through - if so I apologise.
The loco in the picture (18508 - WDM2) is in a mid blue and grey blue
livery as opposed to the coaches which have three bands of colour. From
the top; red, cream and mid blue. The short hood of the loco has a
"roundel" type shed marking which appears to be (the print of the photo
breaks up under a magnifying glass) KJM in the central circle with
(possibly) Southern Railway in the outer circle. White graphics on a
blue background. Also appears to be a white KJM mark on the lower edge
of the cab. In both cases the "J" is slightly longer than the other
letters.
Of equal interest is (I think) another WDM2 in the background (the nose
only is visible) which is in the same red, cream and blue livery as the
coaching stock.
Does this help or just confuse the issue more? Incidentally, as I bought
my copy from the BORHT stand at the weekend the people manning the stand
were rapidly inserting an A5 amendment sheet with some corrections -
mostly about misprints, but at least one pair of photo captions reversed
and two misattributed as to location!
--
Roger G. Morris
From: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <>
Subject: Re: Modelling
Date: 12 Nov 1998 13:23:20 -0500
Dear Glyn,
Sorry to hear you gave Indian models up . . .
It's one of the biggest myths around that scratch-building is
difficult
and time-consuming. It ain't. I have spent far more time trying to
correct
lousy kits which are dimensionally inaccurate and need major engineering
skills to complete, than I have scratch-building. I'm a bit of a bodger:
I
don't do immaculate work, and I have all the usual problems getting
things
to run. But there are good quality components available nowadays.
Particularly with styrene, scratch-building is quick, easy, and
very
satisfying. The main things are: measure accurately (even a cheap
vernier
caliper is worth its weight in gold), keep it square, and think ahead.
Good
drawings help, but I've done many a model from weight diagrams and
photos.
Have a go!
Any photos of your erstwhile layout, by the way?
Happy modelling
Ken Walker
-----Original Message-----
From: GlynThomas@aol.email <GlynThomas@aol.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Thursday, 12 November 1998 8:07
Subject: Modelling
>I've followed the modelling thread with interest.
>
>I have built a couple of Indian layouts with limited success. The main
problem
>is building everything from scratch. My most recent effort, which was
>dismantled a couple of years ago, was a WR meter gauge layout, with
2'6"
>feeder.
>
>I built coaches and trucks using the resin casting method suggested by
other
>writers. As Ken suggested, I used rubber molds, and hobby resin, which
is
>fairly easily available in the UK. My impression after building 8
coaches,
and
>about a dozen wagons was that it would probably have been better to
build
in
>styrene, for the amount of cleaning up required with the molds. A
better
>approach would probably be to etch brass. A UK magazine, 'Model Railway
>Journal' suggested a way that this could be done on a hobby scale a few
years
>back.
>
>For MG locos, I used chassis from Berliner Bahn TT locos. Berliner Bahn
come
>from East Germany, and are quite cheap for model railway equipment
prices
(but
>they may be difficult to get outside Europe). Diesels are much easier
to
build
>than steam, although the Berliner Bahn motors are wide to fit into a
hood
>unit. A YP I built from the Berliner Bahn 2-6-2 only started to look
right
>after I'd rebuilt the valve gear, which is fairly serious scratch
building
>(and I still need to give the tender another going over). It would be
nice
to
>have the time and skills to build everything from scratch like Ken.
>
>I'm hoping to restart railway modelling soon, but like Viraf, I also
model
>French, which seems a bit easier.
>
>Glyn Thomas
>
From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>
Subject: Tidbits from early IR issues - April 1968
Date: 12 Nov 1998 14:13:58 -0500
April 1968 (annual report)
--------------
-Ajanta Exp. between Kacheguda and Manmad (introduced on April 1, 1967)
is
the fastest MG train in India with an average speed of 42.5 kmph.
[with
both Delhi-Ahmedabad and Chennai-Madurai having been converted to BG,
which
MG train now has the fastest avg. speed?]
-Diesel loco. shed with an initial homing capacity of 40 locos.
commissioned
at Ratlam in May, 1967. [Is the Ratlam diesel loco. shed still
operational?
Or has it been converted to an AC loco shed?]
-Doubling of Lakheri-Bayana nearing completion.
-From March 1968, Punjab Mail dieselized between Igatpuri and Jhansi
which
has enabled the load to be increased by 4 coaches and the overall
running
time has been reduced by 2 hrs.
-There is a section on Bombay division and its problems. A particular
paragraph refers to operation of 'kutchra' (garbage) trains - collection
area for the 'kutchra' of Bombay is in the south-west corner of the
island
while the dumping ground is in the north-east corner with the result
that
these trains have to cut across all suburban and through lines of CR and
WR.
[Was this for real?! What was the composition of these 'kutchra'
trains?]
Vijay
From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: Exhibition on Wheels!!
Date: 12 Nov 1998 18:04:33 -0500
Hi Appu,
That trip was nostalgic. Real fun we had. Remember waiting for our
return
train at Tadwal the station master took us to be railway employees and
was confused why we were buying a ticket.
>
> The new Indian Rail mag (of August 98) has a full blown feature on
this section
> of the railways. I hope we can do this section once (before we die
?). Our good> friend Mr. Bhandare from the Model Railway society Pune
has done this li> friend Mr. Bhandare from the Model Railway society
Pune has done this li
Yes we should do this but then this is going to stay. Iam at present
more
interested in chasing STEAM. Sarosh, Shriniwas and myself are planing at
trip to Jetalsar & Wankaner during January next. Harsh informs us that
there is still steam left there. He has also helped us planning this
trip.
>
> Viraf - do you remember that this 'hunger during the rail travel'
happened to us
> as well. We were stuck at Hotgi Jn - where we had gone to see the YP &
YG loco
> shed - we were looking at only oily deep fried chilies and nothing
else that was
> available on the HG platform. So we thought prudent to come back to
Solapur to
> eat at the station - we came back in style though - on the footplate
of a YP !
Yes I did learnt a lesson from this trip. Hence forth I alway carry
drinking water and a packet of biscuits for emergency.
Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================
From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: train liveries
Date: 12 Nov 1998 19:34:45 -0500
I have actually spotted the A.K. Raj and the Bangalore Raj. with
> a Shatabdi-type generator car something I never thought would happen
to a
> Rajdhani. I still have fond memories of the 80s when we had just two
> Rajdhanis - Delhi to Bombay and Howrah. There used to a special
counter at
> Bombay Central for the Raj. where ticket booklets (similar to
airlines) used
> to be issued. The service was impeccable and basically everyone got
their
> money's worth.
Hello Vijay,
Yesterday on my way back home at 4.30pm a Rajdhani whizzed past my local
train near Kandivili station towards Bombay. I could't figure out which
Rajdhani was that but it had a mixture of both Rajdhani & Shatabdi
livered coaches. The train was hours behind it's schedule since a
freight
train had derailed near Billimora station.
Regards
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================
From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>
Subject: News from Rediff
Date: 12 Nov 1998 19:38:44 -0500
Tourism in the name of Buddha
Archna Sachdeva in Sarnath
'A sarkari affair'. 'Good idea but bad execution'. 'An attempt to
saffronise Buddhism.'
Brickbats. Lots of them. They flew faster than bouquets at the first
Bauddha mahotsav, organised with great fanfare at important Buddhist
sites of the country.
Touted as a path-breaking programme by the Union tourism ministry to put
'Buddhist circuits' in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar on the world tourism map,
the 16-day festival from October 24 to November 8 left many wondering if
this mix of religion and tourism would work.
While local Buddhist leaders were sceptical about the effect such
extravaganzas would have on the quiet, religious environs of this suburb
of Varanasi, and other similar places, travel agents were upbeat about
the idea and its potential for changing the face of Indian tourism.
Union Tourism Minister Madan Lal Khurana, credited with pushing through
the scheme, was confident that Buddhist sites like Rajgir, Sarnath,
Bodhgaya, Kushinagar and Kaushambi could be developed into major
attraction spots.
''If the Vatican and Mecca can draw millions of visitors from all over
the world every year, why should not we develop our sights and attract
tourists from the predominantly Buddhist Southeast Asian countries?''
Khurana asked.
Gerard Bogrand, a French tour operator, in Sarnath to film the
proceedings, felt that the tourism ministry was on the right track.
''Leave alone the Southeast Asian states, even a country like France has
some two to three million people involved in Buddhist seeking. A large
number of them would be potential visitors to India," the Paris-based
operator said.
However, while the tourism ministry's idea was good in principle, its
execution was found wanting, Bogrand said. ''Logistics is the main
problem here. From food to toilets to communication facilities, not much
care seemed to have gone into ground-level preparations. It would be
better if the government involves some tourism professionals in such
ventures,'' he added.
Oficialdom's apathy offended some Buddhist invitees from overseas also.
Monks from Myanmar, following the Theravada sect, found that no
arrangements had been made for them to have their food before noon, as
prescribed by religion.
''There are many followers of the Thervada sect in India also. Thus, the
officials should have known about our requirements. But, they seemed
busier in looking after the various ministers attending the function
than the delegates that they had invited,'' said U Maung Shwe, the
leader of the Myanmar delegation.
That the criticism of the festival being a largely 'sarkari affair' had
struck home was reflected by Uttar Pradesh Tourism Minister Kalraj
Mishra's statement that efforts would be made from next year to make it
a ''public function''.
He said Rs 10 million was spent on developing the Sarnath-Gaya sector
for the event this year. The allocation for next year would be
increased.
Meanwhile, the India Tourism Development Corporation has started a new
train, the Bauddha Parikrama, from Howrah for the convenience of
pilgrims on a Buddhist circuit.
A six day package tour would be offered on this train which travels to
the Buddhist pilgrimage centres of Rajgir, Nalanda, Gorakhpur,
Kushinagar, Sarnath, Gaya Bodh Gaya. The accommodation, food, guides,
and any road travel by luxury coach involved during this tour would be
taken care of by the railways. The train is even equipped with a
meditation room.
The train departs every Thursday. The schedule:
Day 1: Departure from Howrah at 1200 hours. Day 2: Arrival in
Gorakhpur at 0500 hours. Departure from Gorakhpur at 2200 hours. Day 3:
Arrival in Varanasi at 0500 hours. Departure from Varanasi at 2200
hours. Day 4: Arrival in Rajgir at 0500 hours. Departure from Rajgir at
2230 hours. Day 5: Arrival in Gaya at 0430 hours. Departure from Gaya
at 2100 hours. Day 6: Arrival in Howrah at 0500 hours.
The tariff:
Luxury class: US $ 799 per person. Elite class: US $ 629 per person.
Comfort class: US $ 529 per person. Standard class: US $ 379 per
person. Indian residents can pay in the equivalent Indian rupees.
For tickets:
Indian Tourism Development Corporation, 3rd floor, New Delhi House, 27
Barakhamba road, New Delhi. Phones: 011-3313233, 371591, 3325035. Fax:
011-3324905. Web site: India Tourism. Email: India Tourism or India
Tourism
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From: Jayant S <>
Subject: Re: Exhibition on Wheels!
Date: 12 Nov 1998 19:53:31 -0500
> > The only thing new that I learnt from this exhibition was that
> > Shimiliguda is the highest station in India at 998mtrs. This station
> > is on the Visakhapatnam - Kirandul line.
Funny....always thought the highest railway station in India was
Ghoom on the DHR, at 2200 meters or some such..........
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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: American models suitable for converting to IR locos
Date: 12 Nov 1998 20:03:43 -0500
Hi Annie & all,
Can anyone suggest how to remove that stupid plastic sheen from the
building kits. i am very ignorant in such things
Thanks
Viraf
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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: Exhibition on Wheels!
Date: 12 Nov 1998 20:28:12 -0500
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Jayant S wrote:
> > > The only thing new that I learnt from this exhibition was that
> > > Shimiliguda is the highest station in India at 998mtrs. This
station
> > > is on the Visakhapatnam - Kirandul line.
> Funny....always thought the highest railway station in India was
> Ghoom on the DHR, at 2200 meters or some such..........
Me too shared the same thought. Might be the caption was wrong. what
they
must have meant was the highest "Broad gauge" station in India.
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Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: Hugh Hughes' books
Date: 12 Nov 1998 21:02:25 -0500
>
>
> Sorry to spoil you fun(and with apologies to my friend I.S. Anand who
> contributed that picture) but this is definately not Goa Express.
Having
> travelled in this train on more than a couple of occasions in the past
few
> months, I failed to notice anything new about its livery. Also, seen
at the
> helm of the affairs is a SR loco, very unlikely for Goa Express !
>
> In all probability, it is a SR train(Udyan perhaps). Can someone throw
any
> light please?
>
Harsh,
I had a talk with Anand regarding this and he says that the train is
100%
Goa Express hauled by the KJM - Krishnarajapuram Shed (Bangalore) Loco.
The train is painted in swarnajayanti (50 years of Independence) colours
and when he showed this picture to the S.R. officials in Madras
recently they claimed that the Northeners have stolen their colour
scheme.
Viraf
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Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
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From: Anne Ogborn <>
Subject: [Fwd: American models suitable for converting to IR locos
Date: 12 Nov 1998 21:26:30 -0500