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From: John Hinson <>

Subject: Re: Sounds on different rails

Date: 18 Sep 1998 15:57:29 -0500


Hi from the UK . . .

At 16:19 18.9.98 , you wrote:
>Any leads as to the benefits and applications of each type ?

The sounds you describe are as ours in the UK. The "tiddly-pom" sound
remains when short sections have been welded together on site. We use
these
only on lightly used or low speed lines these days. The manufactured
long
lengths are far more durable and (as noted when this subject was first
raised) somewhat quieter.

The expansion joints should not cause much noise - their design should
prevent this.

Finally, the sound of wheel flats is easily distinguished because you
hear
a continuous "bonk bonk bonk" which varies in speed as the train
accelerates and brakes. Rail joints play a tune according to the number
of
axles in each bogie, hence the "tiddly-pom" that we are all familiar
with.

Hope this info is of use,

John Hinson

From: Dr. Shirish Yande <>

Subject: Back to Rail sounds again

Date: 19 Sep 1998 11:32:10 -0500


Hi Everyone at the IRFCA,

Apoorva has rightly explained the distinction of rail sounds. The sound
over a " normal" joint is quite different from the one produced by the
concavity over a joint welded by Thermit.

That leaves the question of rapid sounds in the Neral Karjat section. I
have never got down to see the configuration, but the rails used there
are Continuously welded ones. These are flash Butt type and do not allow
any bumps or troughs in the joints. However as a rule a continuously
welded segment must be followed by "breathing rails", which take the
burden of thermal expansion. I suspect there are a number of short
segments of rails in this section which produce these rapid sounds.

Switch Expansion Joints are supposed to be "silent". My experience is
not quite the same. I feel every SEJ in India produces a distinct sound.
Besides SEJ's are also undirectional and they do produce different
sounds when used by trains moving in two directions.

Talking about sounds, has anybody tried to estimate the speed of the
train without looking out of the window i. e. without watching the mile
posts?

I would like to hear from whoever is doing it in whatever way.

Shirish Yande.

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 20 Sep 1998 23:18:05 -0500



Hi Guys,

I have received a complimentry copy "A GUIDE TO DIESEL AND ELECTRIC
LOCOMOTIVES OF INDIAN RAILWAYS" by Mr.J.E.Daboo duly signed by the
author
himself.

It is a very nice book with some rare photographs and drawings.

In a letter to me Mr. Daboo mentions - "FOR RESIDENTS IN INDIA,THERE IS
A
SPECIAL CONCESSIONARY PRICE OF 2.80 U.K.POUNDS, PLUS POSTAGE OF 0.84
U.K.
POUNDS SEA MAIL OR 1.84 U.K.POUNDS AIR MAIL. ORDERS SHOULD BE SENT TO
BORHT, AND PAYMENT MADE TO THEM IN STERLING (OR US$ EQUIVQLENT).

BORHT stands for THE BRITISH OVERSEAS RAILWAYS HISTORICAL TRUST.

So hurry guys and order a copy.

Regards,

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: Sachin P Keshavan <>

Subject: For Apoorva

Date: 21 Sep 1998 08:46:24 -0500


Hi,
This mail is for Apoorva. Mr. John Hinson informed me that you had
given him a copy of the Neals ball Token instruments details. I too
would like to have a copy of them. Can you please forward it to me.
I live in India, so even an ordinary mail will do. And I am ready to
bear the expenses.

Thanks,
Sachin.
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From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 21 Sep 1998 13:32:06 -0500


Would you know who we in the United States could contact to order this
book?
I am definitely interested in getting one!

Thanks,
Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: VIRAF P.. MULLA [mailto:sncf@godrejnet.email
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 1998 11:18 PM
To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.



Hi Guys,

I have received a complimentry copy "A GUIDE TO DIESEL AND ELECTRIC
LOCOMOTIVES OF INDIAN RAILWAYS" by Mr.J.E.Daboo duly signed by the
author
himself.

It is a very nice book with some rare photographs and drawings.

In a letter to me Mr. Daboo mentions - "FOR RESIDENTS IN INDIA,THERE IS
A
SPECIAL CONCESSIONARY PRICE OF 2.80 U.K.POUNDS, PLUS POSTAGE OF 0.84
U.K.
POUNDS SEA MAIL OR 1.84 U.K.POUNDS AIR MAIL. ORDERS SHOULD BE SENT TO
BORHT, AND PAYMENT MADE TO THEM IN STERLING (OR US$ EQUIVQLENT).

BORHT stands for THE BRITISH OVERSEAS RAILWAYS HISTORICAL TRUST.

So hurry guys and order a copy.

Regards,

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 21 Sep 1998 20:36:02 -0500


Hello,
This could prove to be a bible for us rail nuts who are so very much
attached to the IR.

Could you let me have the forwarding address so that I may order a
copy by mail? I'm based in Dubai, a land of NO RAILWAYS, and am most
of the time STARVED of trains.

Best regards.

Shankar



VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I have received a complimentry copy "A GUIDE TO DIESEL AND ELECTRIC
> LOCOMOTIVES OF INDIAN RAILWAYS" by Mr.J.E.Daboo duly signed by the
author
> himself.
>
> It is a very nice book with some rare photographs and drawings.
>
> In a letter to me Mr. Daboo mentions - "FOR RESIDENTS IN INDIA,THERE
IS A
> SPECIAL CONCESSIONARY PRICE OF 2.80 U.K.POUNDS, PLUS POSTAGE OF 0.84
U.K.
> POUNDS SEA MAIL OR 1.84 U.K.POUNDS AIR MAIL. ORDERS SHOULD BE SENT TO
> BORHT, AND PAYMENT MADE TO THEM IN STERLING (OR US$ EQUIVQLENT).
>
> BORHT stands for THE BRITISH OVERSEAS RAILWAYS HISTORICAL TRUST.
>
> So hurry guys and order a copy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Viraf
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> ==========================

From: PROTIP.DASGUPTA <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:12:58 -0500


Hi Viraf!
I am definetely interested in this book, can u pls send me the address
of
BOHRT or whatever its called? I can tell someone in the UK to oick it up
for me...I would be most grateful if u could send me the email/postal
address,
Thanks,
Bharat Vohra

On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:

>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I have received a complimentry copy "A GUIDE TO DIESEL AND ELECTRIC
> LOCOMOTIVES OF INDIAN RAILWAYS" by Mr.J.E.Daboo duly signed by the
author
> himself.
>
> It is a very nice book with some rare photographs and drawings.
>
> In a letter to me Mr. Daboo mentions - "FOR RESIDENTS IN INDIA,THERE
IS A
> SPECIAL CONCESSIONARY PRICE OF 2.80 U.K.POUNDS, PLUS POSTAGE OF 0.84
U.K.
> POUNDS SEA MAIL OR 1.84 U.K.POUNDS AIR MAIL. ORDERS SHOULD BE SENT TO
> BORHT, AND PAYMENT MADE TO THEM IN STERLING (OR US$ EQUIVQLENT).
>
> BORHT stands for THE BRITISH OVERSEAS RAILWAYS HISTORICAL TRUST.
>
> So hurry guys and order a copy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Viraf
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> ==========================
>
>

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 22 Sep 1998 00:12:15 -0500



Hello All,

Sorry for the price of the book is nowhere mentioned on the book.
You all can order this book from:

The British Overseas Railways Historical Trust,
260 Wricklemarsh Road, Blackheath,
London SE3 8DW.
England.

All cheques made payable to BORHT.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: GOODWIN ALCO <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 22 Sep 1998 03:33:03 -0500


VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I have received a complimentry copy "A GUIDE TO DIESEL AND ELECTRIC
> LOCOMOTIVES OF INDIAN RAILWAYS" by Mr.J.E.Daboo duly signed by the
author
> himself.
>
> It is a very nice book with some rare photographs and drawings.
>
> In a letter to me Mr. Daboo mentions - "FOR RESIDENTS IN INDIA,THERE
IS A
> SPECIAL CONCESSIONARY PRICE OF 2.80 U.K.POUNDS, PLUS POSTAGE OF 0.84
U.K.
> POUNDS SEA MAIL OR 1.84 U.K.POUNDS AIR MAIL. ORDERS SHOULD BE SENT TO
> BORHT, AND PAYMENT MADE TO THEM IN STERLING (OR US$ EQUIVQLENT).
>
> BORHT stands for THE BRITISH OVERSEAS RAILWAYS HISTORICAL TRUST.
>
Can you possibly give the address for BORHT, I appear to have misplaced
it.
Best Wishes
Brad

From: Pushkar Apte <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 22 Sep 1998 07:27:44 -0500


> Hello All,
>
> Sorry for the price of the book is nowhere mentioned on the book.
> You all can order this book from:
>
> The British Overseas Railways Historical Trust,
> 260 Wricklemarsh Road, Blackheath,
> London SE3 8DW.
> England.
>
> All cheques made payable to BORHT.
>
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> ==========================

Hi Viraf,

Do these folks have a phone no. or e-mail address or web site or
something? Those of us in the US who would like to order the book
would need to know how many greenbacks to send!

Regards,
Pushkar
-------

From: S Pai <>

Subject: requesting railfanning tips

Date: 22 Sep 1998 12:07:56 -0500



Among other things, I think the FAQ for this list should include good
information on railfanning in India -- tips & hints, good places to spot
trains, interesting / accessible loco sheds, little-known or
off-the-beaten-path sights, routes to travel, etc. While some of these
have appeared in past discussions and can be culled from there, I'd like
to
request those who have information of this nature to send it to me for
inclusion in the FAQ. Other kinds of factual information can be looked
up
in books, etc. but this sort of word-of-mouth & personal experience
information is hard to get and this list has a wealth of expertise to be
mined, so do contribute -- even the smallest hints or tips can be
nuggets
of useful data for rail fans visiting India.

Thanks in advance!

-Satish

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 22 Sep 1998 20:05:55 -0500


> >
> > The British Overseas Railways Historical Trust,
> > 260 Wricklemarsh Road, Blackheath,
> > London SE3 8DW.
> > England.
> >
> > All cheques made payable to BORHT.
>
> Hi Viraf,
>
> Do these folks have a phone no. or e-mail address or web site or
> something? Those of us in the US who would like to order the book
> would need to know how many greenbacks to send!
>
> Regards,
> Pushkar
> -------

Sorry Pushkar there is no mention of their telephone no. or Email
address
in this book.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 22 Sep 1998 20:25:50 -0500



> Can you possibly give the address for BORHT, I appear to have
misplaced
> it.
> Best Wishes
> Brad
>

Hi,
THE BRITISH OVERSEAS RAILWAYS HISTORICAL TRUST
260 WRICKLEMARSH ROAD, BLACKHEATH
LONDON SE3 8DW.

THERE IS NO MENTION OF THEIR TELEPHONE NO. OR EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS
BOOK.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: New Train service

Date: 23 Sep 1998 01:48:19 -0500


Hi Gang !

As per an ad in the Indian Express and a news item in the Times of India
today, there is a new train named as ' Vijaynagar Express' which will
run between Kolhapur in the south of Maharashtra to Tirupati near
Chennai. The emphasis in the ad in on linking two heavy places of
worship - Balaji temple in TPTY and the Mahalaxmi temple in KOP. The
train number, schedule or the stops are not announced yet. The route it
will follow is : Kolhapur - Miraj - Belgaum - Hubli - Gadag - Hospet -
Guntakal - Gooty - Cudupah - Renigunta - Tirupati. This is in series of
trains linking religious centers - one more is the Nanded - Amritsar
Sachkhand Express.
The Vijaynagar Express is also the first train which starts from
Kolhapur and then reverses direction at Miraj.

Even I was surprised about the introduction of a new train service in
this sector which must be the most neglected around us. There was no
advanced notice at all. The point is the introduction of this train
service has no immediate cause - like completion of a new BG line etc
everything has been in place for many years now.

Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: requesting railfanning tips

Date: 23 Sep 1998 01:53:43 -0500




S Pai wrote:

> Among other things, I think the FAQ for this list should include good
> information on railfanning in India -- tips & hints, good places to
spot
> trains, interesting / accessible loco sheds, little-known or
> off-the-beaten-path sights, routes to travel, etc. While some of
these
> have appeared in past discussions and can be culled from there, I'd
like to
> request those who have information of this nature to send it to me for
> inclusion in the FAQ. Other kinds of factual information can be
looked up
> in books, etc. but this sort of word-of-mouth & personal experience
> information is hard to get and this list has a wealth of expertise to
be
> mined, so do contribute -- even the smallest hints or tips can be
nuggets
> of useful data for rail fans visiting India.

One hint that comes to my mind:If you are booked to travel in 3 tier AC
then a
bedding is not guaranteed ! So as soon as you get to your coach you
must
corner the attendant and put your claim on it. Essentially you hire the
bed
roll and it is on first come first served basis. You could freeze
without a
bedroll once the train really starts moving. If you have a 2 tier AC or
a 1st
class AC (lucky !) ticket then the bed roll is paid for in the ticket
itself.

Apurva

>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Satish

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Bedrolls in AC cars: query

Date: 23 Sep 1998 02:54:09 -0500


> One hint that comes to my mind:If you are booked to travel in 3 tier
AC then a
> bedding is not guaranteed ! So as soon as you get to your coach you
must
> corner the attendant and put your claim on it. Essentially you hire
the bed
> roll and it is on first come first served basis. You could freeze
without a
> bedroll once the train really starts moving. If you have a 2 tier AC
or a 1st
> class AC (lucky !) ticket then the bed roll is paid for in the ticket
itself.

Uh Oh....does this apply to the Rajdhani Exps also ?
I am due to travel BCT-NDLS-BCT next month by 3 tr AC.

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From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: Bedrolls in AC cars: query

Date: 23 Sep 1998 03:15:58 -0500


In the previous budget speech, the minister had announced that
travellers in AC-3T also will get "free" bedrolls. I don't know
if this has been implemented. In case of Rajdhanis, AC-3T passengers
got bedrolls even earlier.

-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638
(Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email

From: Iain A Fraser <>

Subject: Re: MR.DABOO'S BOOK.

Date: 23 Sep 1998 05:37:29 -0500



>
> Sorry Pushkar there is no mention of their telephone no. or Email
address
> in this book.
>
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> ==========================

Hi....

Viraf..I must have not received the post on this..can I help in any
way?

Iain
Pickering
England

Aerolite Booktraders
Rail Book Specialist

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: New Train service

Date: 23 Sep 1998 06:21:30 -0500


>Hi Gang !
>
>As per an ad in the Indian Express and a news item in the Times of
India
>today, there is a new train named as ' Vijaynagar Express' which will
>run between Kolhapur in the south of Maharashtra to Tirupati near
>Chennai. The emphasis in the ad in on linking two heavy places of
>worship - Balaji temple in TPTY and the Mahalaxmi temple in KOP. The
>train number, schedule or the stops are not announced yet. The route it
>will follow is : Kolhapur - Miraj - Belgaum - Hubli - Gadag - Hospet -
>Guntakal - Gooty - Cudupah - Renigunta - Tirupati. This is in series of
>trains linking religious centers - one more is the Nanded - Amritsar
>Sachkhand Express.

Two more are the Okha-Puri Exp. (Dwarka to Puri) and the Varanasi-Cochin

Exp. via Tirupati. Earlier, there used to be a biweekly
Varanasi-Tirupati Exp. and a weekly Varanasi-Cochin Exp. (via Arrkonam
bypass). The former has been replaced by the Varanasi-Secunderabad Exp.

The Varanasi-Cochin Exp. covers the extra Renigunta-Tirupati-Renigunta
stretch just to connect to Tirupati.

What is there in Nanded?


>The Vijaynagar Express is also the first train which starts from
>Kolhapur and then reverses direction at Miraj.

There used to be an MG Vijayanagar Exp. from Hubli to Hospet. So,
this is really an extension in both directions.


>
>Even I was surprised about the introduction of a new train service in
>this sector which must be the most neglected around us. There was no
>advanced notice at all. The point is the introduction of this train
>service has no immediate cause - like completion of a new BG line etc
>everything has been in place for many years now.

Wasn't Hospet-Hubli converted to BG about a year back?

Vijay


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From: Pushkar Apte <>

Subject: Fastest non-Rajdhani/Shatabdi run

Date: 23 Sep 1998 06:38:00 -0500



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Regards,
Pushkar
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