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From: BSR SHARMA <>

Subject: Re: TXR staff ?

Date: 14 Sep 1998 09:44:18 -0500



---Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email wrote:
> Just curious - why was a warning issued to the TXR
for the electric loco on road
> 16 ? Give us your best guess.

Most likely to warn any TXR staff involved in filling
overhead water tanks or washing the carriages. One
has to be careful with a water hose near High Voltage
elctric gear
nearby.Also, the electric locos are famous
for being almost silent and accelerate quite fast - so
general warning to look over shoulder - if working
undercarriage on adjacent lines.

BSR Sharma
San Diego, Calif



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From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA

Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:14:10 -0500


Hmmm, I thought that too, and always wondered about the redundancy of
"Club"
and "Association".

I'd also vote to leave it at IRFCA, and use "Association" as the A-word.

Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Ogborn [mailto:anniepoo@netmagic.email
Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 9:41 AM
To: acha@cs.email
Cc: Apurva Bahadur; IRIZ
Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA




Anurag Acharya wrote:

> How about "Indian Railways Fan Club Association"? Anyways, that is how
> it has appeared on my web page for the last couple of years. Would
> simplify life if the initials (and the email addresses associated with
> the group) did not change.
>

I like not changing the initials. That way we have continuous presence
on
the
net If we're mentioned in a magazine, we're still here when a year later
somebody comes looking.
Nobody has to update links on their website.
Until this thread started I thought we *WERE* the "Indian Railways Fan
Club
Association".
Actually, it's becoming that way in reality, with the different groups
getting together in the bay area and in Pune.

Annie

From: Prakash Tendulkar <>

Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA

Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:25:47 -0500



I agree with Annie. There exists another Prakash Tendulkar in
Northern California (I know it because I have met him) but that
does not mean I should change my name. Consistency counts! It
does not matter if the last "A" stands for America, Association,
or whatever else, just keep the accronym same.

Prakash



anniepoo@netmagic.email on 09/14/98 10:08:12 AM
Please respond to anniepoo@netmagic.email
To: acha@cs.email
cc: irfca@cs.email iti@giaspn01.email
Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA




Anurag Acharya wrote:

> How about "Indian Railways Fan Club Association"? Anyways, that is how
> it has appeared on my web page for the last couple of years. Would
> simplify life if the initials (and the email addresses associated with
> the group) did not change.
>

I like not changing the initials. That way we have continuous presence
on the
net If we're mentioned in a magazine, we're still here when a year later
somebody comes looking.
Nobody has to update links on their website.
Until this thread started I thought we *WERE* the "Indian Railways Fan
Club
Association".
Actually, it's becoming that way in reality, with the different groups
getting together in the bay area and in Pune.

Annie

From: Kartik Pashupati <>

Subject: Re: Nilgiri Express Livery

Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:41:02 -0500


Like Vijay, I, too thought that the Nilgiri Express now sported ordinary
brown livery. However, in June this year (1998), I saw a complete
Nilgiri Express rake at Chennai Central wearing its old blue colors
(with yellow stripe if I remember right).

I hope the blue color scheme is back to stay. Can anyone on the list
confirm this?

---------------------------------
Kartik Pashupati
Department of Communication
Florida State University

From: S Pai <>

Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA

Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:04:10 -0500



I second Anurag's suggestion to keep the acronym the same but to be
creative in finding another interpretation for it if the current one(s)
are
thought unsuitable. I still get inquiries about the list directed to me
even though it has been years since I administered the list -- somehow
addresses and contact information survive in stale form in odd nooks and
crannies on the net and there is no way to really update them all. Why
disappoint someone somewhere who wants to learn about the list, by
ensuring
that they get a "Addressee unknown" bounceback or a failed web search
when
they look for the old name?

-Satish

From: Siddhartha Joshi <>

Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA

Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:15:53 -0500



Dear Junta.

I agree. Don't change the initials. We've established a presence and
changing the name will mean reestablishing that.


Let's not even discuss the idea. IRFC or IRFCA is just fine.

Siddhartha.


On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Anne Ogborn wrote:

>
>
> Anurag Acharya wrote:
>
> > How about "Indian Railways Fan Club Association"? Anyways, that is
how
> > it has appeared on my web page for the last couple of years. Would
> > simplify life if the initials (and the email addresses associated
with
> > the group) did not change.
> >
>
> I like not changing the initials. That way we have continuous presence
on the
> net If we're mentioned in a magazine, we're still here when a year
later
> somebody comes looking.
> Nobody has to update links on their website.
> Until this thread started I thought we *WERE* the "Indian Railways Fan
Club
> Association".
> Actually, it's becoming that way in reality, with the different groups
> getting together in the bay area and in Pune.
>
> Annie
>
>
>
>

From: Steven Brown <>

Subject: IRFCA name

Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:42:58 -0500


IRFCA returns valid information on at least 4 search engines including Excite and Alta Vista. I think that it would be a shame to change the name now. Rather we should try to attract more interested people from India and nearby countries and forget that A ever stood for anything other than association.
 
Steve
 

From: Pushkar Apte <>

Subject: IRFCA passed by e-voice vote!

Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:57:08 -0500


Hi folks,

Looks like there is an overwhelming consensus to maintain the acronym
IRFCA. Personally, I am glad, because it has a nice ring to it, and it
preserves the ties to its history.

One suggestion within the IRFCA acronym to get around the
club-association redundancy:

Indian Railway Fans' Cool Association

;-)
-Pushkar
-------

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA

Date: 14 Sep 1998 19:03:42 -0500




Hi All,

Good Morning, I fully agree with Siddhartha lets not discuss the idea
of
changing the initials. It doesn't make a difference if A stands for
America or Association. The main thing is we all love Indian Railways.

Yes we do have established a presence this group was featured in one of
the Indian newspapers and some of the Western Railway Officers do know
that we exist.

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Extinct liveries

Date: 14 Sep 1998 23:51:17 -0500




Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> 9. Brown Cream Brown - Frontier Mail
>
> 10. Brown Cream Brown 1 White Howrah-Kalka Mail
> (above windows)
>

Before 81Up/82Down New Delhi - Howarh Air Conditioned Express got its
spanking new rake of integral coaches, it used to have rakes of
non-integral coaches, and the color scheme those days (early 60s) was
the
same as descreibed for 9 and 10 above. Between Howrah and Mughal Sarai
on
ER (via Grand Chord) it used to be a nine or ten car train pulled by a
WP,
with its tender colored the same as the rake. In the Eastward direction
it
used to get a banking locomotive (a WG) attached to the rear at Gurpa
and
detached variously at Gajhandi or Koderma.

> 16. Orange Cream Orange 1 Cream Asansol Exp.??
> (saw this at Howrah with a WAM2 of the same color)
>

Yes.

Jishnu.

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Extinct liveries

Date: 15 Sep 1998 00:44:34 -0500





> Between Howrah and Mughal Sarai on ER (via Grand Chord) it used to be
a nine
or ten car train pulled by a WP, with its tender colored the same as
the rake
In the Eastward direction it used to get a banking locomotive (a WG)
attached
to the rear at Gurpa and detached variously at Gajhandi or Koderma.

Hi Jishnu,

Why was a banker needed? is there a heavy gradient?

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Extinct liveries

Date: 15 Sep 1998 00:51:33 -0500



Vijay

> How I wish I had my camera in those days!! Who knows whether I'l
> witness these fantastic rakes again :-( :-(

I too lament the same. Do you recollect that Deccan Queen had a
matching
blue liveried WCM1 with THE BLUE BIRD written on it's sides. That was in
70's.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: IRFCA name

Date: 15 Sep 1998 01:04:55 -0500


I think this is it - IRFCA remains IRFCA and the A stands for 'association' - I have stopped thinking about it anymore and so should all of you.

Apurva

Steven Brown wrote:

 IRFCA returns valid information on at least 4 search engines including Excite and Alta Vista. I think that it would be a shame to change the name now. Rather we should try to attract more interested people from India and nearby countries and forget that A ever stood for anything other than association. Steve The First Indian Railways Homepage : <<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail>">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail></A>

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Devanagari decals

Date: 15 Sep 1998 01:25:11 -0500


For the modellers out there, I can make decals in
Devanagari, Gujarati, and Punjabi. I thought this might
be useful to some of you all. If it is, feel free to email me.

From: Shashi Date <>

Subject: Re: New name for the IRFCA

Date: 15 Sep 1998 02:35:10 -0500


FIR. Friends of Indian Railways.

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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Extinct liveries

Date: 15 Sep 1998 07:11:20 -0500




VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:

> > Between Howrah and Mughal Sarai on ER (via Grand Chord) it used to
be a nine
> or ten car train pulled by a WP, with its tender colored the same as
the rake
> In the Eastward direction it used to get a banking locomotive (a WG)
attached
> to the rear at Gurpa and detached variously at Gajhandi or Koderma.
>
> Hi Jishnu,
>
> Why was a banker needed? is there a heavy gradient?

Between Gurpa and Gajhandi the Grand Chord climbs up from the Gangetic
plains to
the top of Chhotanagpur Plateau. It is not as sharp a climb as those in
Bhore and
Thal Ghat, but it is sharp enough to require banking on steam hauled
trains. After
electrification only very heavy goods trains are banked with additional
eloectric
locos. I don't think any passenger train is banked there anymore. There
was a
period after electrification when steam hauled passenger trains were
banked by
electric locos!

Jishnu.

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Extinct liveries

Date: 15 Sep 1998 07:44:37 -0500


>Between Gurpa and Gajhandi the Grand Chord climbs up from the Gangetic
plains to
>the top of Chhotanagpur Plateau. It is not as sharp a climb as those in

Bhore and
>Thal Ghat, but it is sharp enough to require banking on steam hauled
trains. After
>electrification only very heavy goods trains are banked with additional

eloectric
>locos. I don't think any passenger train is banked there anymore.

My ER working TT shows that the Calcutta Rajdhani stops at Gurpa and
Gajhandi for attachment and detachment of banker loco. However, this is

a few years old and maybe things have changed after the WAP6(?) has
taken over.

Vijay


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From: Larry Russell <>

Subject: diesel liveries

Date: 15 Sep 1998 08:28:45 -0500


Hi all, speaking of liveries, many diesel locomotives had paint schemes
that matched the trains they were assigned to. Also, I suspect many were
painted for the shop they were assigned to. A list of these paint
schemes
would be interresting.
Larry

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Attn Time table seekers

Date: 15 Sep 1998 09:52:07 -0500


Hi Gang,

I have already got some quotes from a few couriers and will get some
more in a day or two. All couriers require the receiver's telephone
number so please provide me that pronto. PLEASE find a taker for ONE set
of timetables that is spare with me.

Apurva

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Attn Time table seekers

Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:43:24 -0500




Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I have already got some quotes from a few couriers and will get some
> more in a day or two. All couriers require the receiver's telephone
> number so please provide me that pronto. PLEASE find a taker for ONE
set
> of timetables that is spare with me.
>
> Apurva

I'll take the spare set, and donate to the GGMRC library, if nobody else
wants it.

My phone is (510)534-3823

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