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From: Srikant Subramaniam <srikant@sybase.email

Subject: High Speed Trains around the World - by Oliver Keating

Date: 04 Jun 1998 07:09:00 -0500


This might be of interest ...

<A HREF="http://www.keating.ml.org/trains/index.htm">http://www.keating.ml.org/trains/index.htm</A>

From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email

Subject: Re: The engine codes

Date: 04 Jun 1998 07:34:00 -0500


I can set up a page for this purpose this evening.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: S Pai [SMTP:
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 10:05 AM
> To: Indian Railways List
> Subject: Re: The engine codes
>
>
> Sachin,
>
> I'll send you the information on this separately -- this has been
> discussed
> many times on the list.
>
> Perhaps it's time to set up a FAQ on such topics, for people new to the
> list? Loco designations, station codes, gauges in different parts of the
> country, etc. are all commonly-asked questions which would be suitable for
> inclusion in a FAQ, and if someone could host it, could be made available
> by anonymous ftp or (better) on a web page. I'll volunteer to compile (or
> to help someone else compile) some of the information as time permits, if
> this sounds like a good idea, but I do not have ftp or web space to make
> it
> available.
>
> -Satish

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: ALCo & MLW

Date: 05 Jun 1998 18:58:00 -0500


Prakash Tendulkar wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Johannis is looking for folks who are involved in modelling
> ALCOs. I know someone in Australia built model Indian Rail
> Road. Is there anyone else? Apurva had mentioned about model
> rail road in Pune, too!

Pune has the Model Railway Society of Pune (MRSP) headed by Bhau Joshi
(ramesh@giaspn01.email with associates like Raman Chitale and Suresh
Rao who have in the past built a 1/16th (Not sure) brass model of a WP/P
(which actually deserves its own web page). The model will spring tears in
your eyes - it is so realistic. They also make models of WDM2 and YDM4s for
various client like Konkan Railways. Please lookup the rail museum site of
Bhau Joshi for further details. I have the web address of that somewhere. I
will forward it to you if you need it.Pune has Dinyar Antia (tel:
+91-212-621623) who as I have mentioned before is a model basher in his own
right.
We also have Dilip Bhat (tel: +91-212-341680) who is a professional model
maker who has made models of various electric locos for the Indian Railways.
Not being a modeller myself (more of a footplater, really !), I am not
really in touch with all these gents. Neither can I give more details of
their activities or businesses.
Possibly there are many more modellers in Pune who I do not know or not
recollect as of now. There are many more in Mumbai. Please contact Viraf
Mulla (sncf@godrejnet.email for more details.

Apurva Bahadur

> Prakash
>
> Notes Address: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
> VM Address: IBMUSM50(PRAKASH)
> Internet Address: prakash@us.email
> Phone: (408)463-3536
> DB2 Technical Consultant, Vendor Partnership Program
>
> ---------------------- Forwarded by Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM on
> 06/04/98 09:26 AM ---------------------------
>
> likosjo@yahoo.email on 06/04/98 08:16:23 AM
> Please respond to likosjo@yahoo.email
> To: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
> cc:
> Subject: ALCo & MLW
>
> Hi,
> I am looking for people on the Web
> who might be somehow involved either in original prototypes
> or in H0 scaled models of ALCo and MLW diesel locomotives.
> I am scratchbuilding my own DC powered ALCo and MLW models,
> mainly exported versions.
> Currently I am building in scale 1:87 the ALCo RS-8 (DL-531)
> in Jamaican and in Greek livery, which is known as Baby-ALCo.
> In my archive I have also a collection of photographic material
> of U.S.-/Canadian-built diesel locomotive prototypes.
> In case we both share the same hobby, please, feel free and
> contact me via email.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Johannis Likos
>
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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Sandhurst road station

Date: 05 Jun 1998 19:12:00 -0500


Hola Gang !

My friend, Mr. Uday Deshmukh (whose father was the first Indian Station
Master of VT) mentioned to me that in the 1970s the entire Sandhurst
Road (upper) station was raised by a good two feet to make clearance for
the double decker coaches of the new trains (Sinhagad Express and
Panchawati Exp)
He also mentions that a steel rod weighing almost a ton was blasted in
the sky during the great dock explosion of 1942. This rod flew 2 kms
from the Princess Dock and embedded itself in the embankment which leads
the harbour lines up the Sandhurst Road Upper station. The rod is still
embedded in the wall, maintained neatly by the Railway gang by regularly
painting it. Although there is no plaque to mention the historical
significance of this piece of metal.
Incidentally Mr. Deshmukh was a motor man on the unit local before
changing to one of the many jobs he has held.

Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Meaning of the term 'Gricer'

Date: 05 Jun 1998 19:21:00 -0500


The British use a term 'Gricer' to describe a dedicated
railfan.
It refers to a sort of pig whose curious snout reaches every little
crevice.
Have any of you gang heard this term and have you got better definations
of it ?

Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: The engine codes

Date: 05 Jun 1998 19:46:00 -0500


> And many of you in the list, seems to have travelled
> on the foot plate. How was that possible. I heard it is illegal to go on
> the foot board. All I have been is to the SM's signal room and to a gate
> keepers box (with some small signalling instruments).
>

Hi Sachin,Footplating is illegal but widely tolerated. The driver can see that you
mean no harm and are really interested in his work and his steed. Many will refuse
to take you quite rudely. You must be prepared for that. Always treat these guys
with the same love and courtesy that you would to dear friends for many drivers
will become your dear friends. Please let all of us know of the trains and the
general railway atmosphere in your place (Trissur ?). Why don't you ask the SM or
his gang to introduce you to the driver ?

Apurva Bahadur

> Thanks in advance.
> Sachin.P.K
> sachin_pk@hotmail.email
> Home Page: <A HREF="http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk">http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk</A>
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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Odd Query

Date: 05 Jun 1998 19:53:00 -0500


Hi Jayant,

I have a brass YP or a YG whistle with me. I have never blown the
whistle but a day will come when a 1" air line is available at 10 Kg
pressure and a suitable adaptor - will you be there ? But I will not
part with it for anything in the world.
I think the horns on the IR are made by ELGI in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu.

Apurva Bahadur

sank@telco.email wrote:

> Hi, folks:
>
> I have a slightly unusual question here: a friend of
> mine wants to get hold of a locomotive horn for an
> amusement park (don't ask me why !!). Does anyone
> know who supplies these to DLW/CLW, and if a unit
> can be bought from them ?
>
> --
> Jayant S
> PUNE : INDIA

From: Anne O. <anniepoo@netmagic.email

Subject: Re: The engine codes

Date: 04 Jun 1998 20:27:00 -0500


Shanku, if you'll collect the info, I'd be willing to set up an IRFCA
web site based on it, do the graphic design, code html, etc. I have
space to host it.

Annie

From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email

Subject: Re: Odd Query

Date: 06 Jun 1998 01:35:00 -0500


The last I knew, horns for the electrics and diesels of the IR used to be
supplied
by ELGI Equipments, Coimbatore.
Now don't ask me for the address etc., but Elgi is quite a famous company in
India dealing in devices run by compressed air.
Best regards.
Shankar.


At 10:37 AM 6/3/98 +0530, you wrote:
>Hi, folks:
>
>I have a slightly unusual question here: a friend of
>mine wants to get hold of a locomotive horn for an
>amusement park (don't ask me why !!). Does anyone
>know who supplies these to DLW/CLW, and if a unit
>can be bought from them ?
>
>--
>Jayant S
>PUNE : INDIA
>
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Rail Duniya

Date: 06 Jun 1998 09:12:00 -0500


Auroprem Kandaswami wrote:

> >I do'nt think so. I have a Rail Duniya (private time table published >
> in Bhusawal) which has the listing of all the Konkan Railway trains. >
> Will soon post an extract of this to the IRFCA.
>

Greetings Auro and Everyone else who loves steel on steel,

Rail Duniya is in Hindi and English at Rs 20/- per issue. The speciality
is
that it is published many (4 times ?) times per year to include the
latest
changes.The address is Editor, Rail Duniya, Motibag Building, Ahead of
Bhusawal High School, Bhusawal 425201, District Jalgaon, Maharashtra
India.
The telephone number is +91-2582-23155. If you are in India there would
be an outlet
near you I guess. It is available at almost all the stations in
Maharashtra.

They have schemes which allow you a lifetime supply of the rag once you
pay some amount (it was Rs 400/- in 1995 -must be more now - will
confirm when I find the latest issue which is with me somewhere ) and
they will give a undated cheque as a receipt. They will send you the
issues twice a year till you decide to cash the cheque by putting a date
on it. Some (dubious ?) scheme like that.

Apurva Bahadur

> Rail Duniya is a good name for a time-table. Is this published in
> Hindi/Marathi ? I would like to know the frequency of this publication
> and also where it is available.
>
> Thanks,
> Auro
>
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From: Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) <tog-sa@he.email

Subject: Re: Odd Query ( horns / whistles )

Date: 06 Jun 1998 03:40:00 -0500


Hello,

Sources for horns / whistles:

Several guys in UK do this "by hand" (bronze)
incl. copies of australian or US (Big Boy) whistles
(nice / expensive...)

Company in South Africa supposed to do this too
(delivered horns for NEW rack Loks built
in CH recently by SLM)

Company in US does chime whistle for
using at the mouth: does real "US like"
or "Western" sound !

NATHAN in the US sells those chime air horns... for diesel

Do I need search in my tons of papers for addresses / faxes
(they are NOT in my computer databases...)
or is it already OK for you with local sources from India ?

Just tell me...

Bye


> >I have a slightly unusual question here: a friend of
> >mine wants to get hold of a locomotive horn for an
> >amusement park (don't ask me why !!). Does anyone
> >know who supplies these to DLW/CLW, and if a unit
> >can be bought from them ?
> >
> >--
> >Jayant S
> >PUNE : INDIA
> >

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From: Prakash Tendulkar <prakash@us.email

Subject: Re: ex-Burma

Date: 05 Jun 1998 19:41:00 -0500


Hello,

Post war Garrats in Burma were of two types. 12 locos were 2-8-2+2-8-2
and 9 locos were 4-8-2+2-8-4. Pictures, drawings, etc., nope. Bengal
Assam Railway had 2-6-2+2-6-2 Meter Guage Garrats made by Beyer Peacock
& Co. Manchester, the same maker of the earlier Garrats in Burma. B/W
picture Garrats from Bengal Assam Railway appears on page 19 of Indian
Locomotives, Part 2 Meter Guage by Hugh Hughes.

Of the total 12 pre-war Garrats in Burma, only 10 were active in 1947.
Twelve 2-8-2+2-8-2 were added in 1943 and nine 4-8-2+2-8-4 were added
in 1945, all made by Beyer & Peacock.

Four 4-8-2+2-8-4 were transferred to Tanganyka (Tanzania) in 1948 and
five 4-8-2+2-8-4 were transferred to East African Railways (Kenya) in
1952 according to Indian Locomotives Part 4 page 85.

Prakash

Notes Address: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
VM Address: IBMUSM50(PRAKASH)
Internet Address: prakash@us.email
Phone: (408)463-3536
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tog-sa@he.email on 06/04/98 02:41:05 PM
Please respond to tog-sa@he.email
To: jraby@gol.email james1@pernet.email irfca@cs.email
cc:
Subject: ex-Burma


Hello,

Who knows "things" about the Burma Railway Garatts
and the ones that came after WW2, probably
same as Kenya EAR Class 55 and/or 56 ?

Were initially 280+082, post war units were 282+282

Looking for drawings, pictures, even b&w, etc...

Thanks in advance...

Bye

From: Anne O. <anniepoo@netmagic.email

Subject: Re: Signalling

Date: 05 Jun 1998 19:57:00 -0500


Sachin wrote:

> Hi guys,
> Here is a site which gives some good info. on the British Railway
> signalling. It also has got a detailed description of how a Tokenless
> block system in their country works.
> <A HREF="http://trainweb.com/signalbox/">http://trainweb.com/signalbox/</A>
> Does any body have any idea how the following signal instruments work;
> 1. Token less block instrument
> 2. Token block instrument.
>
> Bye.
>
> Sachin.P.K
> sachin_pk@hotmail.email
> Home Page: <A HREF="http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk">http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk</A>

I found this looking for something else:

aji - An Indian Railway Signal & Telecommunication Engineer now working
as Dy.Chief
Signal& Telecommunication Engineer at Southern Railway Head Quarters,
Chennai,India.
Currently in charge of an Optical Fibre Communication project for
Railways.
90% 6125 bytes, 1998/04/28
<A HREF="http://home.talkcity.com/TechnologyWay/aji">http://home.talkcity.com/TechnologyWay/aji</A>

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Our Picture

Date: 07 Jun 1998 03:32:00 -0500


Hi Gang !

This is how we look.

Introducing my wife Shyama and me !

This is the long hood of WDM2 18483 of Erode Shed hauling the 329 Dn
Pune - Wadi - Hyderabad Passenger to Daund sometime in 1991. We (I ?)
had just realized that the love of railways needed something to be done
about it. So a trip to Daunt it was.
We were standing in the vestibule of the first coach right
next to the stinking toilet. The vestibule door opened and we were
staring right at the beautiful face of the WDM2. The folding walkway of
the coach unfolded and we soon were hanging to the long hood of the loco
in the buffeting wind. The speeds we experienced were 75 - 90 Km/h. I
remember the loco was throwing a lot of water from the radiator on that
particular day. From so near by the WDM2 sounds really deep and
intense. We saw a WP and a few WGs at Daund shed on that day. More
photos coming up.

It is common practice to use the foreign locos (of sheds other than Pune
and of other railways like Southern, South Central etc) during the
period of waiting (to pick up their link train to return to their home
shed) on short distance passenger trains so that the standing loco is
utilised. The term used is 'lay over' period. Now this train was hauled
by a WG from Daund onwards, so this loco would return to Pune hauling
another passenger load to pick up its train (I think it was 1081 Dn to
Kanya Kumari) later in the evening.

The other phot is the Short Hood of the same loco earlier at Pune Jn
with me in the corner.

Please note the sand filling ports in the middle of the hood, the yellow
flasher lamp and the 19 pin multiple unit plug near the frame level.
Also note the vestibule support on the right of the picture. My new
scanner has only just arrived. It looks like it will be truly abused in
the near future !

On a serious note, I want to put up a lot of photos on the net but have
no knowledge of how to do it. I can just about write an HTML page, but
any help in choosing a correct editor (I use Netscape Communicator 4.04
shareware with Netscape Composer) will be welcome. I also need info on
where to put up my web page (pages ?) for free, what the final size of
the page should be and how many pictures (scanned to what depth ?) a
page should contain. I have nobody else to ask this info but all of you.
So please chip in with any info you may have and watch my page come up
faster.

The long hood photo is genuine and so are our smiles !


Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Departure from Karad

Date: 07 Jun 1998 08:59:00 -0500


Hi Gang !

This is the 7384 Down Maharashtra Express making a smoky start from
Karad (KRD) on the Pune - Miraj - Kolhapur line.
Photo 1 (KRD1.jpg) : The 'starter signal' of Road 1 is at 'Caution' (45
degs) while the starter on the main line (road 2) and the road 3 is 'on'
(horizontal - NO GO !). Please deprogramme yourself - An 'Off' signal
means 'Proceed' , and an 'On' signal means 'Stop'. The throttle of the
WDM2 has been brought off from idle.

[Image]


Photo 2 (KRD2.jpg): The governor kicks in ! Raw fuel flows in the
injectors, the Alco begins to accelerate from standstill. Note the
'Derailing point' just after the platform. This point is normally in the
'derailed' position and is closed only to allow a train on road 1 to
enter the main line. Note the control rods for operating the points and
the control wires leading to the signals on road 2 & 3.

[Image]

Photo 3 (KRD3.jpg): This is the moment we have all been waiting for. The
famous Alco exhaust !

[Image]


Photo 4 (KRD4.jpg): The loco passes me. Note the 'Advanced Starter' at
'Proceed' (fully vertical). The driver has brought the loco to idle (and
hence no smoke) so as to enter the main line at 15 Kmph over . After the
train comes on to the main line after the Karad cabin, the driver would
accelerate once more to lead the train to next station Shenoli (SNE)
some 13 kms away. Note the spike below the driver's window which was
used (not in this section) to collect the token hoop from a mechanical
arm. The 'recycled' (retired ?) pieces of vaccum pipes next to the spike
are used as a damping element for the just caught token hoop.

[Image]

Your Feedback is awaited !

Apurva Bahadur
Pune / India
email: iti@giaspn01.email

From: Philip Wormald <PWormald@compuserve.email

Subject: Re: Our Picture

Date: 06 Jun 1998 17:01:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur,
Good to see the picture, thanks. I think I would certainly like
the sound of the WDM2 and her ALCO engine. We have nothing like
that here in England.
But, I have done a lot of travelling in Greece, where until the
last few weeks ALCO power was on all the big trains! Now they
get some boring new rubbish.
I send a picture taken by a friend of one of their big MX636 ALCO
powered loco's, doing what they do best, turning the air Black!

Hope you enjoy this!

Phil Wormald

From: Philip Wormald <PWormald@compuserve.email

Subject: Re: Our Picture

Date: 06 Jun 1998 17:02:00 -0500


[image]

From: Donald L. Mills, Jr <dmills@MARSHALL.email

Subject: Re: Our Picture

Date: 06 Jun 1998 21:24:00 -0500


Apurva- Just a note to say Thanks for the Photos. I noticed on the WMD-2
that the type is large and very noticable from a great distance. Over here
you have to wait until the engine is passing then look under the engineers
window before seeing the engine type. Only then it has to be going at a
slower speed. Most railfans of time know the engines, but the novice
railfans like myself do not. The front of the WMD2 looks simular to the
RS3 that our RR club has. It looks as if they keep them in excellent
shape. Don in WV

----------
> From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
> To: IRIZ <irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Our Picture
> Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 8:32 AM
>
> Hi Gang !
>
> This is how we look.
>
> Introducing my wife Shyama and me !
>
> This is the long hood of WDM2 18483 of Erode Shed hauling the 329 Dn
> Pune - Wadi - Hyderabad Passenger to Daund sometime in 1991. We (I ?)
> had just realized that the love of railways needed something to be done
> about it. So a trip to Daunt it was.
> We were standing in the vestibule of the first coach right
> next to the stinking toilet. The vestibule door opened and we were
> staring right at the beautiful face of the WDM2. The folding walkway of
> the coach unfolded and we soon were hanging to the long hood of the loco
> in the buffeting wind. The speeds we experienced were 75 - 90 Km/h. I
> remember the loco was throwing a lot of water from the radiator on that
> particular day. From so near by the WDM2 sounds really deep and
> intense. We saw a WP and a few WGs at Daund shed on that day. More
> photos coming up.
>
> It is common practice to use the foreign locos (of sheds other than Pune
> and of other railways like Southern, South Central etc) during the
> period of waiting (to pick up their link train to return to their home
> shed) on short distance passenger trains so that the standing loco is
> utilised. The term used is 'lay over' period. Now this train was hauled
> by a WG from Daund onwards, so this loco would return to Pune hauling
> another passenger load to pick up its train (I think it was 1081 Dn to
> Kanya Kumari) later in the evening.
>
> The other phot is the Short Hood of the same loco earlier at Pune Jn
> with me in the corner.
>
> Please note the sand filling ports in the middle of the hood, the yellow
> flasher lamp and the 19 pin multiple unit plug near the frame level.
> Also note the vestibule support on the right of the picture. My new
> scanner has only just arrived. It looks like it will be truly abused in
> the near future !
>
> On a serious note, I want to put up a lot of photos on the net but have
> no knowledge of how to do it. I can just about write an HTML page, but
> any help in choosing a correct editor (I use Netscape Communicator 4.04
> shareware with Netscape Composer) will be welcome. I also need info on
> where to put up my web page (pages ?) for free, what the final size of
> the page should be and how many pictures (scanned to what depth ?) a
> page should contain. I have nobody else to ask this info but all of you.
> So please chip in with any info you may have and watch my page come up
> faster.
>
> The long hood photo is genuine and so are our smiles !
>
>
> Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Our Picture

Date: 07 Jun 1998 22:40:00 -0500


Donald L. Mills, Jr wrote:

> Apurva- Just a note to say Thanks for the Photos. I noticed on the WMD-2
> that the type is large and very noticable from a great distance. Over here
> you have to wait until the engine is passing then look under the engineers
> window before seeing the engine type. Only then it has to be going at a
> slower speed. Most railfans of time know the engines, but the novice
> railfans like myself do not. The front of the WMD2 looks simular to the
> RS3 that our RR club has.

Hi Donald !
Guide us to a pic of the RS3. In India there are not many types of
locos, atleast on the Pune - Miraj - Kolhapur line you would find only
the WDM2 (in various colours and homing to many different sheds), and
WDS 6 heavy shunter homing at Pune. The Indian locos are built quite
crudely. And they are maintained in the same crude standard. I am not in
the least deriding the Indian system. But the Indian locos all lack a
factory finished look about them.

Apurva Bahadur

> It looks as if they keep them in excellent
> shape. Don in WV

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Our Picture

Date: 07 Jun 1998 22:41:00 -0500


Hi Phil,

Thanks for the great picture. Is there a (self imposed ?)limit to the
size of the email
I should be sending ? Not more than 200 - 250 Kb ?

Apurva Bahadur

Philip Wormald wrote:

> Apurva Bahadur,
> Good to see the picture, thanks. I think I would certainly like
> the sound of the WDM2 and her ALCO engine. We have nothing like
> that here in England.
> But, I have done a lot of travelling in Greece, where until the
> last few weeks ALCO power was on all the big trains! Now they
> get some boring new rubbish.
> I send a picture taken by a friend of one of their big MX636 ALCO
> powered loco's, doing what they do best, turning the air Black!
>
> Hope you enjoy this!
>
> Phil Wormald

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