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From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Re: New pictures

Date: 01 Jun 1998 20:29:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Hi Prakash,
>
> The jaywalkers and encroachment....

I suppose all of us who have footplated can appreciate the
strain caused regularly to IR drivers by jaywalkers and
level-crossing daredevils. It is a terrifying experience
from the cab to see them cross the tracks with impunity
regardless of the train bearing down on them.

Incidentally, what are the statistics on level-crossing
fatalities in India ?

--
Jayant S : ID Studio
Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri TEL: 91 (212) 774261 ex 2534
PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA FAX: 91 (212) 773191

From: dheeraj <dheeraj@iitk.email

Subject: Re: The budget.

Date: 02 Jun 1998 02:04:00 -0500


> On another note, when are time-tables for this year being published ?

Normally the timetable changes every 1st July, and it is
available for sale around that time only. Last year, the
timetable changed from August 1st because of late presentation
of Rail Budget. It might be the case this year also.

Will someone from IR give us better info?

-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638 (Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413 (Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Deaths on the railway tracks

Date: 02 Jun 1998 07:47:00 -0500


With reference to Jayant's letter about runover statistics.

I know for sure that between 8 to 20 people die under the trains per day
in Mumbai. More on the CR specially on the harbour lines and much lesser
on the WR.
There are CR motormen with 'scores' exceeding 200 and yet counting. The
motormen dread the Kurla Mankhurd section where the hutments and
shanties are within touching distance of the lines.
They also dread the mob who collects for 'compensation' from poor
motorman.
Mail drivers have relatively few runovers. What they really dread are
bovine and equestrian runovers where the large animal invariably damages
the 'cattle guard', and the motors if the body goes under and the
emergency brakes get automatically applied (with a risk of derailment)
as the brake pipes get damaged on impact.
I have been on the 6529 Dn Udyan Express footplate bewteen Jeur and
Bhalawani (Daund - Kurduwadi section) when we ran over a poor soul. He
hobbled onto the track with an obvious intent to kill himself. The train
was doing atleast 100 Kmph and the driver had no choice but to allow it
to happen. He wrote a memo on a piece of paper stating 'run over
accident at kms such and such' and dropped it near the green flag
weilding staff at the next station while making a chopping gesture with
his palms. This was the official procedure. I decided to keep all the
food I had eaten at Duand inside me as I though the man had achieved
what he had set off to do. This are strictly personal thoughts, please !

I have also run over a couple of already run over victims in all
sections near Pune.
One near call was on the 2702 Up (the number in those days) Goa Express
where a drunk stumbled onto the tracks while the train was accelerating
from Satara challenging the train to come and get him. The driver leaned
right out of the side window (the loco was short hood leading) and waved
wildly to lead the man away from the tracks.
While on the same subject, the 3004 Dn to HWH, on which I was travelling
on stopped for a long time at Mughal Sarai Jn right in front of the
'Murda Ghar' or Dead House (Morgue) located at the end of a platform. I
saw nothing not smelt anything but eating food on the platform became
something of a challenge.
Enough negative thoughts for the day !

Apurva Bahadur

From: Sridhar Shankar <msshanka@gsbmba2.email

Subject: Re: Gitanjali derailment

Date: 01 Jun 1998 12:05:00 -0500


Folks,

SER tracks to Nagpur are perhaps as bad as some of the sections on the
Madras - Bombay section. In Jan 1991, I had a cab ride in the (WDM2)
hauling Gitanjali from Durg to Nagpur. (I suppose that section
elcetrified now). The section was at that time limited to 100 kmph and I
remember the driver mentioning that the tracks were among the worst he has
seen (on a major trunk line). In fact, the suspension on the coaches were
"bottoming" constantly.

-Sridhar

On Sun, 31 May 1998, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Dear gang,
>
> With reference to the recent news about a derailment of the Gitanjali
> Exp.
>
> I have always felt that the SE tracks from Howrah till Nagpur have
> severe oscillation. Tea gets spilt from the cups. A person standing next
> to you may be in your lap the next moment - you know what I mean ! But
> as soon as the train is in the Mumbai - Nagpur section the track is
> noticeably smoother.
> I wonder if any of you also have similar observations. I have always
> believed that SER is much more efficient in maintenance than the CR.
>
> I saw a yellow Plasser Theurer machine in operation on between Shivaji
> Nagar and Pune station. Could not see much detail but it looked really
> busy, throwing clouds of red coloured dust in the air. That colour is
> not the usual tint of the sand at Pune ! Can someone explain the
> function of the Plasser machine ? Apparently it cleans and packs the
> ballast, realigns the gauge and the super elevation and the camber at
> the same time while moving slowly.
>
> Apurva Bahadur.
>
>
>

From: Prakash Tendulkar <prakash@us.email

Subject: Deaths on the railway tracks

Date: 01 Jun 1998 14:05:00 -0500


Death count on Indian Railways is incomplete statistics. If a
person is knocked out but alive, he is taken to hospital. If
the person dies within 24 hours after admission, Coroner is
notified and count increases by one. If the person dies 25
hours later or survives as a disabled person, the Coroner is
not involved and therefore, statistics does not change.
Railway keeps a statistics on the # of summons from Coroner's
court.

The other type of casualties include fall from foot boards,
Roof tops, buffers between coaches, etc. They are not counted
because there is no summon from Coroner to Motorman.

In any event, the person is lucky if such accident occurs near
station so that porters will pick the person on stretcher and
move to hospital by the next train. Again stretcher is a very
important thing, no stretcher means no pick up, period. I had
seen a person lying with legs cut at knee, on Vaitarana bridge.
He had fallen off from Flying Rani and we were travelling in
opposite direction at 100 kms/hr., the nearest station for
us was Virar, several kilometres away. The driver realised
how helpless we were. He was alive and the bridge came under
jurisdiction of Safala Station. After picking him up from site
and then sending him to Jagjivan Ram Hospital at BCT or MCT
by the next available train from Safala was a long way to go.

Western Railway had relatively lower number of deaths in
suburban section in late 70s. However, I have seen some dare
devils travelling in roof top of EMUs being electrocuted to
death. They enjoyed standing on the roof, dodging over head
line till one fatal mistake. For those who may get a chance,
please stand on a foot bridge linking Matunga Railway colony
to Tulsi Pipe Rd., during morning peak period. This bridge is
located half the way between Mahim and Matunga.

Knocking large animals at high speed, usually does not pose
a problem except damage to cattle guard in front of loco. For
EMUs which travel slower, it means damage to equipment. Cows
are usually smarter and they get away from track but buffalo,
she will stay firmly on track. (I am talking about Indian cows
only and not American or Australian cows)

A fully loaded EMU with Ferrodo brake liner takes distance of
twice its length to come to screeching halt from normal speed
of 65- 70 kms. (Only a brand new rake with metallic shoes
stops at a lesser distance. Once these metallic shoes wear out,
they are replaced by Ferrodo brake liners that require lesser
air pressure and last longer.)

Prakash

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From: Sachin P Keshavan <sachin_pk@hotmail.email

Subject: Fw: A good site on railway signalling

Date: 01 Jun 1998 18:20:00 -0500


Content-Length: 248

Hi,
Here is a good site on Railway signalling in UK. Have a look at it if
you have not seen it already,

<A HREF="http://trainweb.com/signalbox/">http://trainweb.com/signalbox/</A>

From: Sachin P Keshavan <sachin_pk@hotmail.email

Subject: Fw: Signalling Instruments

Date: 01 Jun 1998 18:19:00 -0500


Hi guys,
I would like to know if there is any body in this mailing list who have
some idea about the signalling instruments used in the Indian railways.
If there is any site which deals with the Indian railway signals please
give me the URL.
I would like to know more on the Neals ball token blocking, tokenless
blocking etc. etc.

Thanks is advance.
My e-mail id: sachin_pk@hotmail.email

Sachin.P.K
Home Page: <A HREF="http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk">http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk</A>

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re:Fw: Signalling Instruments

Date: 03 Jun 1998 00:09:00 -0500


Hi Anurag,

I have an official manual of Block Token working which is THE official
document. It is full of rules and regulations and not at all conducive to
answer the question - How does it work ?
Yet I will try and understand it and put it up in my language.
Alternatively I will try to scan - ocr and put it up in a short while (at
the least a month from now, I hope !).

Around Pune we have the following systems in operation:

Mumbai CSTM - Badlapur : Automatic Multiple Aspect Colour Light Signals
Badlapur - Pune - Daund : Manual Controlled Multiple Aspect Colour Light
Signals
Duand - Manmad : Lower Quadrant Semaphore signals
Daund - Solapur: In patches of Multiple Aspect Colour Light Signals and
Tokenless Upper quadrant semaphore
Pune - Miraj - Kolhapur : Neals ball token instrument

Apurva Bahadur

Anurag Acharya wrote:

> From: "Sachin P Keshavan" <sachin_pk@hotmail.email
> Subject: Signalling Instruments
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:19:56 PDT
>
> Hi guys,
> I would like to know if there is any body in this mailing list who have
> some idea about the signalling instruments used in the Indian railways.
> If there is any site which deals with the Indian railway signals please
> give me the URL.
> I would like to know more on the Neals ball token blocking, tokenless
> blocking etc. etc.
>
> Thanks is advance.
> My e-mail id: sachin_pk@hotmail.email
>
> Sachin.P.K
> Home Page: <A HREF="http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk">http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk</A>

From: Sachin P Keshavan <sachin_pk@hotmail.email

Subject: Signalling

Date: 02 Jun 1998 03:00:00 -0500


Hi guys,
Here is a site which gives some good info. on the British Railway
signalling. It also has got a detailed description of how a Tokenless
block system in their country works.
<A HREF="http://trainweb.com/signalbox/">http://trainweb.com/signalbox/</A>
Does any body have any idea how the following signal instruments work;
1. Token less block instrument
2. Token block instrument.

Bye.

Sachin.P.K
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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <vbalasub@mail.email

Subject: Re: The budget.

Date: 02 Jun 1998 16:33:00 -0500


----------
> From: pps@godrejnet.email
> To: vbalasub@XULA.email
> Cc: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: The budget.
> Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 11:32 PM
>
> Hi Gang,
> This is to just inform you that The weekly kurla - hwh express will be a
> fully Ac train with 1AC,2AC,3AC as per information recd by me and the
> Kurla NAGPUR Train will be a day train with chair car accomodation and
> cover the dist in abouut 1o hrs. Wonder then why not a Shatabdi on this\

Thanks for the information. Does this mean that the Nagpur train is NOT an
all AC
affair? Are you sure about the 10 hrs. run-time? 12 hrs. seems more
realistic unless
they have upgraded some sections to 120 kmph. or more.


> The KURLA HOWRAH
> train will take roughly around 29 hours to Cal and will have the
following
> halts between Mumbai and Cal: KALYAN, KASARA, IGATPURI, BHUSAWAL, NAGPUR,
> DURG, ROURKELA, TATANAGAR, AND HOWRAH.

The halt pattern is prefect except for the irritating halt at Kalyan. Is
Kalyan big enough to warrant
a Rajdhani-type halt? Both the Rajdhanis from Mumbai Central skip Borivali
which is roughly the
same distance from Mumbai Central as Kalyan is from Kurla. Kasara and
Igatpuri must be technical halts.


> Wonder whether this train will run with WAP 4/5/6/ HAULED LOCO FROM
> IGATPURI OR BHUSAWAL.

Most probably from Igatpuri, since the train needs a halt anyway. Are WAPs
being used in the
Igatpuri-Nagpur-Howrah sector or are WAM4s still hauling all the exp./mail
trains?


Ironically, the Gitanjali Exp. when first introduced (in 1977?) had pretty
much the same halt
pattern and run-times as the new Kurla-Howrah exp. The former used to halt
at Akola instead of
Kalyan. And a similar situation exists in the Delhi-Madras route as well.
The Tamilnadu Exp.,
at the time of introduction (1976) had the same halts which the Madras Raj.
now has - Jhansi,
Bhopal, Nagpur and Vijayawada, and used to cover the 2190 km. in 30 hrs.
The Raj. takes 29 hrs.


Am looking forward to hearing more about the two trains to Nagpur and
Howrah. BTW, do they
have a separate time-table for the Konkan Railway?


Regards,
Vijay

From: Heinrich Hubbert <hubbert@cityweb.email

Subject: Re: M.G. steam photos Spring 98

Date: 02 Jun 1998 14:49:00 -0500


> Dickinson wrote:
> >
> > I haven't checked this but I will send the file to Demon again, looks like it didn't all get through.
> >
> > Please check again in a day or two.
> >
> > Sorry about this, with Pipex the files can be viewed as soon as I transfer. With Demon it takes up to half a day, so
> > often I forget to check!
> >
> > Rob Dickinson
> > My sites: <A HREF="http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm">http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm</A>
> > <A HREF="http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/java1997.htm">http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/java1997.htm</A>
> > Email: rob_dickinson@dial.email
> > Home: 5, Ash Lane Monmouth, NP5 4FJ, UK
> > Tel/Fax: +(44) 1600 713 405
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Heinrich Hubbert[SMTP:hubbert@cityweb.email
> > Sent: 02 June 1998 00:13
> > To: Apurva Bahadur
> > Cc: rob_dickinson@dial.email
> > Subject: Re: M.G. steam photos Spring 98
> >
> > Rob,
> > I also had difficulties with this opening this Morbi-pic.
> >
> > Heinrich
> >
> > Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> > >
> > > The first picture (Morbi Palace) does not open fully. I can just imagine
> > > the majesty of the shot.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Apurva Bahadur
> > >
> > > Heinrich Hubbert wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please enjoy some of my latest pics of YP and YG on th WR and X on the
> > > > SR from March/April 1998:
> > > >
> > > > <A HREF="http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india9.htm">http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india9.htm</A>
> > > >
> > > > The report is edited by Bernd Seiler, who was travelling with me for a
> > > > while.
> > > >
> > > > Heinrich

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Odd Query

Date: 03 Jun 1998 20:07:00 -0500


Hi, folks:

I have a slightly unusual question here: a friend of
mine wants to get hold of a locomotive horn for an
amusement park (don't ask me why !!). Does anyone
know who supplies these to DLW/CLW, and if a unit
can be bought from them ?

--
Jayant S
PUNE : INDIA

From: Sachin P Keshavan <sachin_pk@hotmail.email

Subject: The engine codes

Date: 03 Jun 1998 02:32:00 -0500


Hi guys,
I am basically a new guy to this Mailing List, and I find lot technical
terms mentioned here, especially regarding the locomotives pretty
confusing. What does the following letters on the engines mean;
WDM and WDM2
WDS
WAM and WAM2
YP (on steam locos)
You can send in your reply at my personal Hotmail account rather than
the Mailing List. And many of you in the list, seems to have travelled
on the foot plate. How was that possible. I heard it is illegal to go on
the foot board. All I have been is to the SM's signal room and to a gate
keepers box (with some small signalling instruments).

Thanks in advance.
Sachin.P.K
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From: Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) <tog-sa@he.email

Subject: ex-Burma

Date: 04 Jun 1998 03:30:00 -0500


Hello,

Who knows "things" about the Burma Railway Garatts
and the ones that came after WW2, probably
same as Kenya EAR Class 55 and/or 56 ?

Were initially 280+082, post war units were 282+282

Looking for drawings, pictures, even b&w, etc...

Thanks in advance...

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From: S Pai <

Subject: Bombay suburban trains -- web page

Date: 03 Jun 1998 17:34:00 -0500


I happened to find this page on the Bombay commuter trains; I don't recall
whether this has been mentioned on the list earlier.

<A HREF="http://theory.tifr.res.in/bombay/amenities/transport/rail-sub.html">http://theory.tifr.res.in/bombay/amenities/transport/rail-sub.html</A>

-Satish

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Aussie Locomotives

Date: 05 Jun 1998 00:52:00 -0500


GOODWIN ALCO wrote:
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brad,
> >
> > Looking forward to receiving the newsletter. I need you to give all of
> > us at IRFCA, a brief description of the locos that are near you and any
> > notes you may have on them like idiosyncrasies, sounds, experiences on
> > the footplate etc.
>
> >
> > Apurva Bahadur
>
> Hi guys,
> My friend Apurva made the above request for information on our
> Australian locomotives. I will do this gradually in stages starting
> first with our Alco locomotives.
> As I am only on the net every few days this is how often you will see
> it.
> Hope everyone will enjoy this.
> Best Wishes Brad Peadon

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: In defence of Kalyan

Date: 04 Jun 1998 20:14:00 -0500


> The halt pattern is prefect except for the irritating halt at Kalyan. Is
> Kalyan big enough to warrant
> a Rajdhani-type halt?

Railwaywise, Kalyan is much more important than Borivali. Kalyan is
where the passengers from South East line ( from Lonavala - Pune
section) take the
trains to the North East line. For us at Pune, to pick up or leave a
train
towards/from the North East line towards Igatpuri at Kalyan rather than
CSTM saves almost two hours. Personally I hate the idea of picking up a
train
at the extremely filthy Kalyan Jn., it is a very tense and crowded
affair which
mars the enjoyment of travel. But at the end of a very long and tiring
trip
from North India saving two hours to get to Pune faster suddenly seems
like a
good idea. Kalyan is also where a whole load of railwaymen live and also
a
HUGE marshalling yard. Not to forget the main DC electric shed, the
drivers
training school and the WDM 2 Diesel Shed for freight power and the
Konkan
Railways. All the trains to North East (towards Igatpuri and North
India) and
South East (towards Pune and South India) stop at Kalyan.
Only the 2123 / 2124 Deccan Queen and the 2027 / 2028 Shatabdi Express
(CSTM - PA - CSTM) not halt at Kalyan.

> Ironically, the Gitanjali Exp. when first introduced (in 1977?) had pretty
> much the same halt
> pattern and run-times as the new Kurla-Howrah exp. The former used to halt
> at Akola instead of
> Kalyan.

Is that right ? Gitanjali had no halt at Kalyan in the beginning of its
tenure ? Neither did CSTM -Pune - CSTM 2125/2126 Pragati Exp (Now 1025
-1026 )
nor the 2113/2114 Indrayani Exp (Now 1021/1022) when they were
introduced.
However the systematic stoppage almost everyday by chain pulling public
(specially
the 1022 Up Indrayani ) forced the administration to include a stop at
Kalyan for
both these trains.

> BTW, do they
> have a separate time-table for the Konkan Railway?

I do'nt think so. I have a Rail Duniya (private time table published in
Bhusawal) which has the listing of all the Konkan Railway trains. Will
soon post an extract of this to the IRFCA.

Apurva Bahadur

From: Sachin P Keshavan <sachin_pk@hotmail.email

Subject: The engine codes

Date: 03 Jun 1998 22:46:00 -0500


Hi all,
What does the these codes on the Railway engines mean;
WDM and WDM2
WDS and WDS2
WAM
YP (on steam locos)

Thanks in advance.
Sachin.P.K
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From: Prakash Tendulkar <prakash@us.email

Subject: ALCo & MLW

Date: 04 Jun 1998 12:32:00 -0500


Hi Everyone,

Johannis is looking for folks who are involved in modelling
ALCOs. I know someone in Australia built model Indian Rail
Road. Is there anyone else? Apurva had mentioned about model
rail road in Pune, too!

Prakash


Notes Address: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
VM Address: IBMUSM50(PRAKASH)
Internet Address: prakash@us.email
Phone: (408)463-3536
DB2 Technical Consultant, Vendor Partnership Program

---------------------- Forwarded by Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM on
06/04/98 09:26 AM ---------------------------


likosjo@yahoo.email on 06/04/98 08:16:23 AM
Please respond to likosjo@yahoo.email
To: Prakash Tendulkar/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
cc:
Subject: ALCo & MLW


Hi,
I am looking for people on the Web
who might be somehow involved either in original prototypes
or in H0 scaled models of ALCo and MLW diesel locomotives.
I am scratchbuilding my own DC powered ALCo and MLW models,
mainly exported versions.
Currently I am building in scale 1:87 the ALCo RS-8 (DL-531)
in Jamaican and in Greek livery, which is known as Baby-ALCo.
In my archive I have also a collection of photographic material
of U.S.-/Canadian-built diesel locomotive prototypes.
In case we both share the same hobby, please, feel free and
contact me via email.

Best regards,

Johannis Likos






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From: S Pai <

Subject: Re: The engine codes

Date: 04 Jun 1998 13:04:00 -0500


Sachin,

I'll send you the information on this separately -- this has been discussed
many times on the list.

Perhaps it's time to set up a FAQ on such topics, for people new to the
list? Loco designations, station codes, gauges in different parts of the
country, etc. are all commonly-asked questions which would be suitable for
inclusion in a FAQ, and if someone could host it, could be made available
by anonymous ftp or (better) on a web page. I'll volunteer to compile (or
to help someone else compile) some of the information as time permits, if
this sounds like a good idea, but I do not have ftp or web space to make it
available.

-Satish

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