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From: Paul Davies <8daviep1@uk.email

Subject:

Date: 26 May 1998 23:29:00 -0500


Hi everyone.
The idea of a drawings repository seemed to go down quite well - so we'll do
it. I have a small amount of webspace ( 6Meg ) at my disposal, so give me about
a week, and I'll knock something up. I suggest that drawings be scanned in as
high definition black and white files as this way we get as many good quality
images on the site as we can.
Regards,
Paul.

Paul Davies.
NWSM Support Specialist,
PC Support,
IBM On-site at Lloyds Bank Ltd, Canons House, Bristol. UK

From: Anurag Acharya <acha@cs.email

Subject:

Date: 26 May 1998 09:30:00 -0500


>The idea of a drawings repository seemed to go down quite well - so we'll do
>it. I have a small amount of webspace ( 6Meg ) at my disposal, so give me about
>a week, and I'll knock something up. I suggest that drawings be scanned in as
>high definition black and white files as this way we get as many good quality
>images on the site as we can.

I have a large amount of space available and would be willing to host
the repository.

anurag

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Re: Railway Budget 1998-99

Date: 27 May 1998 18:01:00 -0500


> Any leads/clues on the Budget ?

One snippet I read today in the Indian
Express says that IR will provide drinking
water on all passenger trains........

About time too.

--
Jayant S : ID Studio
Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri TEL: 91 (212) 774261 ex 2534
PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA FAX: 91 (212) 773191

From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 27 May 1998 15:15:00 -0500


Hello friends,
A 'JUNCTION' actually means the 'MEETING POINT OF TWO LINES'.
The lines simply are two lines coming from two different directions:
they might be two bg lines, or two mg lines, or one of each gauge. The mere
existance of two gauges does not qualify a station to be calssified as a
junction.

A classic example of the case in point:
Sholapur (Solapur) on the Bombay-Madras line has (well, had, before unigauge)
both bg as well as mg lines, but is not a junction.
Both lines run parallel to a tiny station called HOTGI, from where they
diverge: the bg line running onwards to Raichur and the meter gauge one turns
sharply towards Gadag/Hubli.
Hence, HOTGI is a junction: Hotgi Jn.

Therefore, a junction might also be termed as a station from where two lines
branch off in two different directions.

Some 'junctions' are the meeting point for more than two lines, i.e. lines turn
off in more than one direction from such junctions.
e.g. Daund: has lines branching off towards Sholapur, Manmad and Baramati.
Guntakal has lines branching off towards Renigunta, Dharmavaram and
Bellary. (three different directions).

Best regards.
Shankar.


At 09:36 AM 5/26/98 +0530, you wrote:
>Dear Gang,
>
>What is the correct definition of the word 'Junction' ? Does change of
>guage also mean a Junction or does it refer only to a branching of
>tracks ?
>
>Apurva Bahadur
>
>
>

From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrejnet.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 27 May 1998 19:08:00 -0500


On Tue, 26 May 1998, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Hello Donald,
>
> If a station terminates one gauge and starts another (the standard gauge ends
> and the narrow gauge begins), will that be a junction ?
>
> Why don't you send all the railway related mail (even if it addressed only to
> me) to the IRFCA so that others may also read and interact with you ? I will
> get a copy of that mail in any case as I am on the mailing list. This
> contributes to all round participation and interaction, which is what all of
> us want. The aim is to start a robust and regular discussion on all subjects
> pertaining to Indian Railways in particular. You views will be most welcome.
>
> Apurva Bahadur
>
> Donald L. Mills, Jr wrote:
>
> > In the US the word junction refers to two rail branches or two separate RR
> > companies joining to crossover traffic. Two different gauges, an example
> > would be standard or narrow. In India your Toy Rail Road is a different
> > gauge and different than the one that goes into New Delhi. Don in WV.
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
> > > To: Indian Railways Info Zone <irfca@cs.email
> > > Subject: Junction
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 12:06 AM
> > >
> > > Dear Gang,
> > >
> > > What is the correct definition of the word 'Junction' ? Does change of
> > > guage also mean a Junction or does it refer only to a branching of
> > > tracks ?
> > >
> > > Apurva Bahadur
>
>
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

The correct definetion of the word Junction in railway parlance according
to me is when two routes meet at a common station. However Change of
guage also means a junction like for e.g. Miraj junction of erstwhile Goa
route.
Also NJP WHERE 3 gauges meet. Any more definetion

From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrejnet.email

Subject: Re: Railway Budget 1998-99

Date: 27 May 1998 19:22:00 -0500


On Wed, 27 May 1998 dheeraj@iitk.email wrote:

>
>
> > Any leads/clues on the Budget ?
>
> I follow Economic Times, and based on several stories in last
> few weeks, my guess is that there won't be many new trains, new
> projects, etc. Earlier, ET was predicting a significant hike
> in sleeper class, 2nd class, and suburban fares, but recently,
> PM and Finance Ministry decided that Railways will get some
> thousand crores more from the general budget, so the fare hike is
> likely to be minimal, and perhaps restricted to higher classes.
> Some rationalization of freight rates. Reduction in freight
> subsidy for "essential" items. Overall no significant change.
>
> -dheeraj
> --------------
> Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638 (Off)
> Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
> Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413 (Fax)
> Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237


I don't entirely disagree with you, but there will be a few trains
introduced on the IR. Ofcourse it will not be a fiasco like last year
when they announced one Shatabdi for Amritsar and there was no train in
sight, further they said that there will be Swarnajayanti expresses but I
have seen only one at Pune and there is no mention of it in the Time
table. However Mr Paswans Rajdhanis for Patna were mentioned.

According to me 2 or 3 superfasts from various places to Patna including
one from Mumbai will be introduced, and a few more SF'S on the Konkan
railway along with allocation of funds together with arrangements for
catering facilities on KR WILL BE INTRODUCED.

APART from this I dont expect many changes.

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 27 May 1998 19:26:00 -0500


poras p.saklatwalla wrote:

> PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
> TEL :5773535/3636
> EXT :4226/4232/4237
>
> The correct definetion of the word Junction in railway parlance according
> to me is when two routes meet at a common station. However Change of
> guage also means a junction like for e.g. Miraj junction of erstwhile Goa
> route.
> Also NJP WHERE 3 gauges meet. Any more definetion

Dear Poras,

Miraj used to have a change of guage. Miraj was the meeting point (intrestingly of
all three gauges) of BG from Pune, MG towards Hubli/Goa/Bangalore and the NG
towards Kurduwadi. There is also a 60 Km spur that braches off towards Kolhapur to
the East of Miraj. Thus Miraj has braches as well as change of guage.

Do you know any station where there is only a change of guage without braching and
then we will see whether that station is called a 'Junction' ?

Apurva Bahadur

From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrejnet.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 27 May 1998 19:43:00 -0500


On Wed, 27 May 1998, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

>
>
> poras p.saklatwalla wrote:
>
> > PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
> > TEL :5773535/3636
> > EXT :4226/4232/4237
> >
> > The correct definetion of the word Junction in railway parlance according
> > to me is when two routes meet at a common station. However Change of
> > guage also means a junction like for e.g. Miraj junction of erstwhile Goa
> > route.
> > Also NJP WHERE 3 gauges meet. Any more definetion
>
> Dear Poras,
>
> Miraj used to have a change of guage. Miraj was the meeting point (intrestingly of
> all three gauges) of BG from Pune, MG towards Hubli/Goa/Bangalore and the NG
> towards Kurduwadi. There is also a 60 Km spur that braches off towards Kolhapur to
> the East of Miraj. Thus Miraj has braches as well as change of guage.
>
> Do you know any station where there is only a change of guage without braching and
> then we will see whether that station is called a 'Junction' ?
>
> Apurva Bahadur
>
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

Possibly Ratlam or Ahmedabad, correct me if I am wrong.

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrejnet.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 27 May 1998 22:47:00 -0500


Hi All,
>
> Do you know any station where there is only a change of guage without braching and
> then we will see whether that station is called a 'Junction' ?
>
> Apurva Bahadur
>
>
Kalka for one where the broad guage terminates and the narrow gauge to
Simla starts.

Regards
Viraf.
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 28 May 1998 13:33:00 -0500


Hi,
We have numerous gauges here in Australia
New South Wales- Standard
Queensland- Narrow, Standard and 2 foot sugar railways
Victoria- Broad, Standard (once had their own narrow gauge
one is preserved at Puffing Billy)
Sth Australia- Broad, Standard, Narrow
West Aust- Narrow, Standard
Tasmania- Narrow
There has been numerous timber and industrial lines of different gauges
in each state also.

Best Wishes
Brad Peadon


Siddhartha Joshi wrote:
>
> Hallo.
>
> Just by the way, which gauges do exist down under ??
>
> Siddhartha
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > This is my first posting. Lets see if it works.
> > In Australia a junction is always the divergance of two tracks. If
> > there are two gauges changing it is usually at a station and this is
> > called a change of gauge station. Unless the other gauge actually
> > branches off from a through one gauge line in which case it is a
> > junction.
> > Hope I havent totally confused everyone with that reply.
> >
> > Best Wishes
> > Brad Peadon
> >

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 28 May 1998 13:43:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> poras p.saklatwalla wrote:
>
> > PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
> > TEL :5773535/3636
> > EXT :4226/4232/4237
> >
> > The correct definetion of the word Junction in railway parlance according
> > to me is when two routes meet at a common station. However Change of
> > guage also means a junction like for e.g. Miraj junction of erstwhile Goa
> > route.
> > Also NJP WHERE 3 gauges meet. Any more definetion
>
> Dear Poras,
>
> Miraj used to have a change of guage. Miraj was the meeting point (intrestingly of
> all three gauges) of BG from Pune, MG towards Hubli/Goa/Bangalore and the NG
> towards Kurduwadi. There is also a 60 Km spur that braches off towards Kolhapur to
> the East of Miraj. Thus Miraj has braches as well as change of guage.
>
> Do you know any station where there is only a change of guage without braching and
> then we will see whether that station is called a 'Junction' ?
>
> Apurva Bahadur

Hi,
The meeting of two gauges could not be considered a junction.
Everywhere that I have ever heard the word junction mentioned has been
where another line branches off the main
_________________________________________________
/ Junction
/
The same term is used in the electrical trade ie junction box. Where a
new wire branches of the main one.

Best Wishes
Brad Peadon

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 28 May 1998 13:46:00 -0500


> >
> > Dear Poras,
> >
> > Miraj used to have a change of guage. Miraj was the meeting point (intrestingly of
> > all three gauges) of BG from Pune, MG towards Hubli/Goa/Bangalore and the NG
> > towards Kurduwadi.


How many places in India had three gauges in one location? In Australia
this was very rare and only to my knowledge happened in two places in
South Australia.
Brad Peadon

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Visit to the Station

Date: 28 May 1998 08:21:00 -0500


Hi Gang:

Just been back from the Pune station.

News:

* The platform 2. 3 and 4 have been extended and the starter signals
have been moved towards the Mumbai end. No 24 coach trains in mind
but just to accommodate our standard one loco - 20 coach rakes,
whose SLR (Second Class Ladies, Brake [guard]) coach always stood
outside the platform. This will prevent the luggage and parcel gang
from dumping packages marked as 'Fragile' right out of the SLR. The
extended platforms are not full height yet, but atleast they are
concretized.
* I saw the 1078 Up Jhelam (from JAT- Jammu Tawi) Express's new rake
- the air braked one - new only in name - looking very tired, dusty
and absolutely filthy from inside as only long distance trains
(specially from North India) can look.
* Also saw WDM2s from Guntakal (GTL), Erode (ED), Kazipet (KZJ),
Gooty (GY) and Pune (PA) sheds.
* The Pune running shed of the DC electrics is chok a blok full of
WCAM3s.
* The 6530 Up Udyan Express from Bangalore (SBC) was brought in by a
GTL WDM2 and sent to Mumbai (CSTM) by a Kalyan WCM2.
* The 7308 Up Koyna Exp from Kolhapur (KOP) was hauled again by a GTL
WDM2 and a Kalyan WCG 2 took it to CSTM.
* Apart from these the 6530 and the 7308 Up power from GTL, I saw two
more locos from the same shed. Earlier a GTL loco was very rare.
But I suppose with the closing of the MG shed at GTL the shed now
homes more BG locos. Earlier we I remember that Gooty locos used
to on the trains I saw hauled by GTL locos today.
* I saw 2780 Up Goa Express coming (Hazrat Nizammudin (NZM) - Hubli
(UBL) from Daund. It was hauled by a Pune WDM2 which was reattached
to the tail end to take the train to its final destination - Hubli
(UBL). I also confirmed that the Goa Express does not yet go to
Vasco - instead it goes to Hubli. The BG track from Londa - Castle
Rock - Madgaon - Vasco is complete but not yet cleared for
passenger traffic. The track was complete in July last year when I
had gone to Madgoan to attend a problem on a DMU. While I was at
Madgaon last year I saw a freight train coming from Castle Rock
but no passenger traffic yet.
* Okay Folks EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT ! As I was wandering around in the
heat and taking photographs, I met a shunter (lowest order driving
staff who pilot the locos around and attach and detach them from
rakes), now his problem was that the particular Erode WDM2 was
'cranking but not holding'. So did I mind cranking the loco while
he was perched on the long hood catwalk holding down the linkage of
the governor ? Just who am I to refuse such an offer ? So yours
truly held the large green switch down, all alone on the footplate.
All the lights dim, the entire frame rocks and slowly the loco
comes alive. Its all over in a few seconds like all good things in
life ! In reward for having helped him out to start the loco, he
posed the loco giving some really dense black smoke. I will have
the photos very soon for all of you. It really happened ! The loco
had a GE governor - for trivia's sake.
* I saw a 'Motor Van' which is a passenger coach with 'dummied'
windows (sheet metal welded on all the openings. This coach also
has doors along the long axis, where the vestibule would be in a
normal coach for motor cars to loaded.

Write soon !


* Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 28 May 1998 08:24:00 -0500


VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:

> Hi All,
> >
> > Do you know any station where there is only a change of guage without braching and
> > then we will see whether that station is called a 'Junction' ?
> >
> > Apurva Bahadur
> >
> >
> Kalka for one where the broad guage terminates and the narrow gauge to
> Simla starts.
>

SO is Kalka a junction or not ?

Apurva Bahadur

> Regards
> Viraf.
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> ==========================

From: Paul Davies <8daviep1@uk.email

Subject: Re:

Date: 27 May 1998 23:38:00 -0500


Anurag,
Thanks a lot for the offer. Shanku also offered to put the site onto part of
his webspace. Aparantly he has unlimited space so I think that it would be
better to use part of his unlimited space rather than burden you with an (as
yet) unspecified amount of information which needs storing. Your offer is very
much appreciated - thanks once again!
Best regards,
Paul.

Paul Davies.
NWSM Support Specialist,
PC Support,
IBM On-site at Lloyds Bank Ltd, Cannons House, Bristol.

From: Philip Wormald <PWormald@compuserve.email

Subject: WDG2 and WDM7 query

Date: 27 May 1998 17:15:00 -0500


I am looking for pictures of WDG2 and WDM7 types, can anyone point
me to where I can see some.

Thanks

Phil Wormald
PWormald@compuserve.email

From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrejnet.email

Subject: Re: Junction (fwd)

Date: 28 May 1998 18:11:00 -0500


VIRAF,
Definetely Kalka is a junction.

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: "VIRAF P.. MULLA" <sncf@godrejnet.email
Cc: "poras p.saklatwalla" <pps@godrejnet.email
"Donald L. Mills, Jr" <dmills@marshall.email IRIZ <irfca@cs.email
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:54:49 +0530
Subject: Re: Junction



VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:

> Hi All,
> >
> > Do you know any station where there is only a change of guage without braching and
> > then we will see whether that station is called a 'Junction' ?
> >
> > Apurva Bahadur
> >
> >
> Kalka for one where the broad guage terminates and the narrow gauge to
> Simla starts.
>

SO is Kalka a junction or not ?

Apurva Bahadur

> Regards
> Viraf.
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> ==========================

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 28 May 1998 23:13:00 -0500


GOODWIN ALCO wrote:

> > >
> > > Dear Poras,
> > >
> > > Miraj used to have a change of guage. Miraj was the meeting point (intrestingly of
> > > all three gauges) of BG from Pune, MG towards Hubli/Goa/Bangalore and the NG
> > > towards Kurduwadi.
>
> How many places in India had three gauges in one location? In Australia
> this was very rare and only to my knowledge happened in two places in
> South Australia.
> Brad Peadon

Hi Brad,

Now the three gauges are found only at New Jalpaiguri (NPJ) at the base of the Darjeeling
Hill Railway (DHR). Miraj was one more station but there is no meter gauge any more.

Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Hot News

Date: 28 May 1998 23:53:00 -0500


I have heard today morning that there are four DEMUs (Diesel Electric
Multiple Units) at Daund. These are very soon to be inducted to do the
Pune - Daund - Baramati run very soon. My own weakness for this train is
that the prime mover (Cummins India VTA 1710 of 705 HP) uses the control
panel made by my firm and the control electronics has been designed by
me !

How effective these trains will be in this sector, remains to be seen. A
large number of the Daund Pune route are the Railwaymen themselves. Many
of them are Ex- steam Daund shed guys who now work at Pune diesel shed.
Now how kindly will they take to trains without berths and toilets ?

Two out of the Four DEMUs arrived last week are older units transferred
from Satna (STN) in Madhya Pradesh and two are new stuff from ICF,
Chennai.

Will post more details soon !

Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Still hotter news

Date: 29 May 1998 00:22:00 -0500


On my last visit to the station I did notice something that may please
many of us.

One F class Nasmyth Wilson (no 731, I think from the Kurduwadi shed of
the Barsi Light Railway) has been 'preserved' (mounted on a concrete
pedestal ) outside the Pune station.
Yesterday I saw TWO MORE such locos hidden in the shunting yard !
The tender seems to have separate but they looked freshly painted and in
a reasonably good shape.
The location of these locos is as follows: You cannot miss the DC
electric running/trip shed towards the Mumbai end of Platform no 6.
Right opposite the DC shed is a dingy neglected structure which is the
running shed for the WDS 4 shunters from Kurla. The Nasmyth Wilson's are
hidden behind this shed, much away from the curious eyes. I did not go
near them, but the slender chimney and the sexy steam dome of these
locos is a clear indication of their parentage.

I think while Suresh Kalmadi (also from Pune) was the MOSR (that's what
everyone in the IR calls him - Minister of State of Railways), he tried
to sell some old locos. There were some ads in the national papers to
that effect. I do not know what happened to these locos but these F
class must be a part of that collection. I think they are being 'saved'
to take part in the National Exhibition of Indian Railway which has been
held in New Delhi, Bangalore and Pune till date. I think Hyderabad is
next.

One more preserved locos is a Huddswell Clark tank loco ( named Reunion
Mail) which belonged to military. This had found its way in the local
junk yard and was rescued by Thermax Limited (a well known Pune Company)
and now adorns the lawns of their corporate office minus a brass steam
dome and sporting a metallic blue paint.

Military also deserves a mention here: the College of Military
Engineering at Pune had their own internal meter gauge track running
the huge periphery of their campus. They had some stream locos which
were used to train the engineering corps to run railways in event of
national emergency. I think they have some preserved locos also along
with old carriages and a railway crane (? not sure ).
I also think they have the other loco of the Hudswell Clark stable which
they have taken to preserve themselves.

Correspond you Guys [and Gals : )] , I await you mail !

Apurva Bahadur

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