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From: Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) <tog-sa@he.email

Subject: Re: Steam Query

Date: 24 May 1998 15:38:00 -0500


Hello,

Could this be related to oil / coal firing ?

sank@telco.email wrote:
>
> Just a question regarding steam locomotive design in India:
> Why did almost all 20th century steam classes in India have
> very small smokebox doors ? I think this also happened to
> a few steam classes in Australia.
>
> Anything to do with hot weather operation ?
> --
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> Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
> tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
> --

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From: dheeraj <dheeraj@iitk.email

Subject: Re: (no subject)

Date: 25 May 1998 01:10:00 -0500


> Indian Railway Time Table uses the time 24 00 hrs as well as
> 00 00 hrs, which are synonymous. Does anybody know what rule
> is used in selecting these numbers. There sure is a rule.

If the arrives at a station at midnight, it is shown as 24:00
If the train departs at midnight, it is shown as 00:00.

By the way, is there any train that departs exactly at midnight.

It would be terribly confusing for those who want to reserve space
in this train. At Kanpur, Prayagraj Express arrives at 11:59 PM and
leaves at 00:10 AM. There are so many examples of people getting the
reservation for day 'x' when they really want to leave on day 'x+1'.
I wonder what it would be like if the departure time was 00:00.

-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638 (Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413 (Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Steam Query

Date: 25 May 1998 05:46:00 -0500


Dear Jayant,

The only reason I can think of that the manufacturers of the equipment
were the same. Baldwin, Kraus Mafei, North British - hence same
designers and similar chain of thoughts. Was the BESA standard that was
in force when the 20th century locos were being sought something to do
with similar looks ?
To the best of my knowledge, the smoke box door size has nothing to do
with the operating characteristics of the loco. Only requirement is that
the smoke box door must be firmly SHUT when the loco is in steam so that
the draught may be let through the chimney and the heat of the fire box
through water pipes. The locos with large smoke box doors must be the
British locos around 20 - 40s. Can the size of the door be the same (to
allow a man easily to clean the area), but our BG locos may be much
larger, so leading to the illusion that the door is actually small, but
yes the WG had a really tiny door.
BTW, have you ever seen a WP with its streamlined cone off ? How did the
smoke box door of the WP look like ? The internet is a very poor source
of these locos. Do you know any sites ?

Apurva Bahadur

sank@telco.email wrote:

> Just a question regarding steam locomotive design in India:
> Why did almost all 20th century steam classes in India have
> very small smokebox doors ? I think this also happened to
> a few steam classes in Australia.
>
> Anything to do with hot weather operation ?
> --
> Jayant S : IDStudio : TTIL : ERC : TELCO
> Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
> tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
> --

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: WDM2c ??

Date: 25 May 1998 06:02:00 -0500


Dear Siddhartha,

I always feel that the best railway scene is in the North. Last year I had
been to Singrauli near the MP and UP border. The place was chock a block full
of WDM2c, WDG 1 or 2 (I am not sure which). On the return trip we spent some
(unplanned) time at Katni and yes there are a number of new locos there. We
in Pune feel this point more sharply as we are at the tail end of the Mumbai
division whose newest loco (before the arrival of WCAM3) was the WCG2 in
1972. We also happen to live on the most neglected 'trunk' route Mumbai -
Chennai - the only one without through electrification so far. And one with
no hope of electrification for a long time.

The WDM2c is a 3100 HP loco with revised camshafts and a new turbocharger on
the same basic engine. This is now the 'standard' WDM2 loco as far as DLW is
concerned.

Note the relocation of the horns on top of the cab and the reversal of
seating position (in some locos). The driver now sits on the left and side
like any other indian electric loco or emu. Thus the door has been reversed
in both the short hood and long hood positions.

Apurva Bahadur

Siddhartha Joshi wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I returned from a trip to New Delhi last week, and man, as far as
> teh rail scene is concerned, Delhi is HAPPENING!! Here is the info
>
> 1) WDM2c in Rajdhani colours sighted and photographed. Any info ??? The
> photos will be available on our website soon.
>
> 2) WAP4 and WAP6 also shot. WAP6 in its original ( non-Rajdhani colours )
> screaming through Nizamuddin Station. Expect the shots on our site soon.
>
> 3) If you are heading for Delhi, make sure you check out the NDLS
> outstation shed. Some of you must have been to the Vidyavihar outstation
> or at least have seen the VT outstation shed while pulling into Bombay.
> Well the NDLS out has WAP's and WAM's like the above outs have WCAM's and
> WCM's. WAP1e's, WAP4's, WAP6, WAM4's in so many different colours! Its an
> amazing sight.
>
> 4) On the way out of Delhi, heading south, you get to see the TKD WDM's
> and these in their various colour schemes.
>
> Wait up for the additions to our website!
>
> Siddhartha

From: Netcomm Labs <ncl@del2.email

Subject: Special Invitation to the National Rail Museum

Date: 25 May 1998 07:23:00 -0500


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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Model Basher Dinyar

Date: 25 May 1998 07:30:00 -0500


Dear Jayant,

If you are into modeling of Indian Railway locos, please talk to my
friend the Dinyar Antia who is into 'model bashing'. He takes apart
perfectly good locos and wagon of foreign origin to construct amazing
models of Indian trains with exotic material such as visiting cards and
polystyrene. Most of the trains run on a huge layout that runs around
the periphery of his bedroom, you have to duck under to get in !
Unfortunately he is totally computer challenged so I will have force him
to write something for all of us (on paper with a pen - the old
fashioned way) which can then be uploaded. He is a teacher of choral
music by profession and totally dedicated to his skills (I mean the one
on the rails !)
He can be contacted on Pune phone number +91-212- 621623 and stays near
the Wadia College almost within the earshot of the railway line.


Apurva Bahadur

From: rpthakur <rpthakur@giasdl01.email

Subject: Re: Timings

Date: 25 May 1998 07:58:00 -0500


If a train arrives at mid-night then it is at 2400 hrs. but if it leaves
at mid-night then it is 000 hrs. Thus the difference is if a train is
arriving oor leaving.
RANJAN THAKUR.
Dr. Shirish Yande wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Indian Railway Time Table uses the time 24 00 hrs as well as 00 00 hrs,
> which are synonymous. Does anybody know what rule is used in selecting
> these numbers. There sure is a rule.
>
> I shall get back in a couple of days.
>
> Dr. Shirish Yande

From: Anne Ogborn <anniepoo@netmagic.email

Subject: Re: Steam fireboxes

Date: 24 May 1998 12:05:00 -0500


Are the small firebox doors on engines with mechanical stokers,
or oil fired engines? Either of those doesn't need a large door.

From: Heinrich Hubbert <hubbert@cityweb.email

Subject: Re: Diagrams of locos

Date: 24 May 1998 15:38:00 -0500


I am also very interested in drawings I find Pauls proposal very
progressive.

Paul Davies wrote:
>
> I'm also interested in getting drawings of Indian locos. Perhaps we should
> start a drawings repository. I can put it on my website. Is anyone interested?
> Rgds,
> Paul.
>
> Paul Davies.
> NWSM Support Specialist,
> PC Support,
> IBM On-site at Lloyds Bank Ltd, Cannons House, Bristol.

From: Heinrich Hubbert <hubbert@cityweb.email

Subject: Re: Steam Query

Date: 24 May 1998 15:39:00 -0500


Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) wrote:
>
As far as I no, this is related with the un-nessisity of
smokebox-cleaning, Indian steam-locos use to have the american type of a
"selfcleaning smoke-box". Unlike f.e. German-locos, it is not nescessary
to clean the somke-box frequently from ash. The small door is smaller
andlighter, means cheaper and easier to maintain as a big door.

Heinrich

> Hello,
>
> Could this be related to oil / coal firing ?
>
> sank@telco.email wrote:
> >
> > Just a question regarding steam locomotive design in India:
> > Why did almost all 20th century steam classes in India have
> > very small smokebox doors ? I think this also happened to
> > a few steam classes in Australia.
> >
> > Anything to do with hot weather operation ?
> > --
> > Jayant S : IDStudio : TTIL : ERC : TELCO
> > Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
> > tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
> > --
>
> --
>
> ===================================================================
> TOG Devt. S.A. "IXpert" Philippe QUIOT
> CH - 1092 Belmont tog-sa@he.email
> internet/intranet consulting ( )
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> [ ] | |________//___\\ | )
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> ===================================================================
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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrejnet.email

Subject: Re: Steam Query

Date: 25 May 1998 17:00:00 -0500


Hi Appu,

Yes I have seen a WP without it's Bullet Shaped cone and it looked just
like a WG. WP & WG had the same interchangable boilers.

Regards
Viraf


> BTW, have you ever seen a WP with its streamlined cone off ? How did the
> smoke box door of the WP look like ? The internet is a very poor source
> of these locos. Do you know any sites ?
>
> Apurva Bahadur
>
> sank@telco.email wrote:
>
> > Just a question regarding steam locomotive design in India:
> > Why did almost all 20th century steam classes in India have
> > very small smokebox doors ? I think this also happened to
> > a few steam classes in Australia.
> >
> > Anything to do with hot weather operation ?
> > --
> > Jayant S : IDStudio : TTIL : ERC : TELCO
> > Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
> > tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
> > --
>
>
>
>
>

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Re: Steam fireboxes

Date: 25 May 1998 17:33:00 -0500


Anne Ogborn wrote:
>
> Are the small firebox doors on engines with mechanical stokers,
> or oil fired engines? Either of those doesn't need a large door.

I don't think any loco in Idia had oil-firing or
a mechanical stoker......

--
Jayant S : IDStudio : TTIL : ERC : TELCO
Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
--

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Steam Loco

Date: 26 May 1998 01:12:00 -0500


Just a thought - The electric generator is the ONLY rotating machine in
the entire steam loco. The filling of the boiler under pressure, forcing
of a draught, creation of vaccum for brakes, whistle - all work by steam
pressure, without moving parts.
As per my driver friend, there was a YP or a YG in Rajasthan which was
converted to oil firing, - furnace oil to be precise.

Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Train arrival at the Witching hour !

Date: 26 May 1998 10:01:00 -0500




dheeraj@iitk.email wrote:

> > Indian Railway Time Table uses the time 24 00 hrs as well as
> > 00 00 hrs, which are synonymous. Does anybody know what rule
> > is used in selecting these numbers. There sure is a rule.
>
> If the arrives at a station at midnight, it is shown as 24:00
> If the train departs at midnight, it is shown as 00:00.
>
> By the way, is there any train that departs exactly at midnight.
>
> It would be terribly confusing for those who want to reserve space
> in this train. At Kanpur, Prayagraj Express arrives at 11:59 PM and
> leaves at 00:10 AM. There are so many examples of people getting the
> reservation for day 'x' when they really want to leave on day 'x+1'.
> I wonder what it would be like if the departure time was 00:00.
>

Hi Dheeraj,

I can visualise the confusion with the Praj Exp regarding arriving and
departing on different days at CNB.
>From a casual glance in the CR time table, I can see that the 7383 Down
Maharashtra Express arrives at Daund Jn at exactly 2400 Hrs (today ?) and
departs for Manmad at 0040 (tomorrow).
The 3004 Dn (CSTM - HWH exp via ALD - you know this train !)arrives at Kasara
(at the bottom of the Thull ghat) at 2333 and departs with the WCG 2 bankers
attached at 0005. It is followed by 1003 Dn (CSTM - Nanded Devagiri Exp)
which arrives at Kasara at 2345 to depart after 3004 Dn at 0020. These are
all very casual observations. In future, while browsing the time tables (one
of my favorite reading matter) I will keep my eyes peeled for that elusive
train which departs at exactly 0000 Hours (The railway men call this 'odd'
hours)

Apurva Bahadur


> -dheeraj
> --------------
> Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638 (Off)
> Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
> Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413 (Fax)
> Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Junction

Date: 26 May 1998 19:06:00 -0500


Dear Gang,

What is the correct definition of the word 'Junction' ? Does change of
guage also mean a Junction or does it refer only to a branching of
tracks ?

Apurva Bahadur

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 27 May 1998 03:42:00 -0500


Hello Donald,

If a station terminates one gauge and starts another (the standard gauge ends
and the narrow gauge begins), will that be a junction ?

Why don't you send all the railway related mail (even if it addressed only to
me) to the IRFCA so that others may also read and interact with you ? I will
get a copy of that mail in any case as I am on the mailing list. This
contributes to all round participation and interaction, which is what all of
us want. The aim is to start a robust and regular discussion on all subjects
pertaining to Indian Railways in particular. You views will be most welcome.

Apurva Bahadur

Donald L. Mills, Jr wrote:

> In the US the word junction refers to two rail branches or two separate RR
> companies joining to crossover traffic. Two different gauges, an example
> would be standard or narrow. In India your Toy Rail Road is a different
> gauge and different than the one that goes into New Delhi. Don in WV.
>
> ----------
> > From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
> > To: Indian Railways Info Zone <irfca@cs.email
> > Subject: Junction
> > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 12:06 AM
> >
> > Dear Gang,
> >
> > What is the correct definition of the word 'Junction' ? Does change of
> > guage also mean a Junction or does it refer only to a branching of
> > tracks ?
> >
> > Apurva Bahadur

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 27 May 1998 14:08:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Dear Gang,
>
> What is the correct definition of the word 'Junction' ? Does change of
> guage also mean a Junction or does it refer only to a branching of
> tracks ?
>
> Apurva Bahadur

Hi guys,
This is my first posting. Lets see if it works.
In Australia a junction is always the divergance of two tracks. If
there are two gauges changing it is usually at a station and this is
called a change of gauge station. Unless the other gauge actually
branches off from a through one gauge line in which case it is a
junction.
Hope I havent totally confused everyone with that reply.

Best Wishes
Brad Peadon

From: Auroprem Kandaswami <kandaswa@apple.email

Subject: Railway Budget 1998-99

Date: 26 May 1998 07:02:00 -0500


Hi folks,

First Railway Budget is to be presented by a
BJP-run government this Friday, May 29. To be
precise, it is going to done by a constituent
of the coalition government - Samata Party(SP)
(Mr. Nitish Kumar, Hon. Railway Minister).

Any leads/clues on the Budget ?

While one can expect confidently a lot of
pro-Bihar developmental projects, how about
other parts of the country and central
Railway policies in general ? I am sure other
allies of the ruling BJP will have something
"hot" to demand for their respective state.
What will be BJP's own directive and approach ?

Auro

From: Siddhartha Joshi <siddha@cyberspace.email

Subject: Re: Junction

Date: 26 May 1998 13:25:00 -0500


Hallo.

Just by the way, which gauges do exist down under ??


Siddhartha
>
> Hi guys,
> This is my first posting. Lets see if it works.
> In Australia a junction is always the divergance of two tracks. If
> there are two gauges changing it is usually at a station and this is
> called a change of gauge station. Unless the other gauge actually
> branches off from a through one gauge line in which case it is a
> junction.
> Hope I havent totally confused everyone with that reply.
>
> Best Wishes
> Brad Peadon
>

From: dheeraj <dheeraj@iitk.email

Subject: Re: Railway Budget 1998-99

Date: 27 May 1998 09:33:00 -0500


> Any leads/clues on the Budget ?

I follow Economic Times, and based on several stories in last
few weeks, my guess is that there won't be many new trains, new
projects, etc. Earlier, ET was predicting a significant hike
in sleeper class, 2nd class, and suburban fares, but recently,
PM and Finance Ministry decided that Railways will get some
thousand crores more from the general budget, so the fare hike is
likely to be minimal, and perhaps restricted to higher classes.
Some rationalization of freight rates. Reduction in freight
subsidy for "essential" items. Overall no significant change.

-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638 (Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413 (Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email

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