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From: Philip Wormald <PWormald@compuserve.email

Subject: Re: WDM2's

Date: 31 Mar 1998 15:21:00 -0500


Does the WDM2 have the 16-251 engine? I presume they have Dynamic brakes?
What model of engine, is it the latest "F" series, though
MLW built that at 3,600 hp in 1975.

Thanks

Phil Wormald

From: fca <fca@accountant.email

Subject: Re: The Last Puff

Date: 31 Mar 1998 13:56:00 -0500


At 18:39 31/03/98 +0530, you wrote:
>

>Whatever the reasons, they can
>rest assured that if such work be done, there will be no dearth of
>individuals (counting in the entire IRFC list!!) who will flock to see
>these living, breathing beauties do what they do best - pull trains.
>
>Is anyone at IR listening??

Sadly, no. ;-(

> Siddhartha.

Freddy


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From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Re: WDM2's

Date: 01 Apr 1998 18:12:00 -0500


Philip Wormald wrote:

> Does the WDM2 have the 16-251 engine? I presume they have Dynamic brakes?
> What model of engine, is it the latest "F" series, though
> MLW built that at 3,600 hp in 1975.

Very guessingly: I think they do have the 16-251 engine with turbocharger.
Dynamic brakes are alsofitted. If I remember correctly, the hp rating is
2600.

The WDM2 corresponds to the DL515 series export locomotives from Alco.

I have the 1982 specs somewhere, can put them up on Friday, if that helps. I
remember hearing
years ago that an alternator was being tested, but I do not know what came
of it.


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From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email

Subject: Re: WDM2 Loco's

Date: 02 Apr 1998 05:36:00 -0500


Hello Philip,
I have the following info about the WDM/2 on my books:

Propulsion: Alco 251D 2,600 hp (1,940 Kw) 16 cylinder Vee diesel engine and
generator supplying current to six nose suspended traction motors
geared to axles.
Weight: 279,910 lbs.(127 t)
Axle load: 47,385 lbs.(21.5 t)
Overall length: 58' 10" (17,392 mm)
Tractive effort: 63,000 lbs. (280 kN)
Max. speed: 120 kmph. (I think it is 130 kmph: 128 to be exact).

Alco's designation for the WDM/2 was DL560, and the locomotives are in many ways
similar to the "Century" series.

The first 40 locomotives came in a fully built form in early 1962,followed in
1963 in knocked down condition. Ten years later, production ws to the order of
75 engines per year,and import content was down from 100% to 25%. The IR YEar
Book 1995-96 puts the latest position at 7.22%.

There is a proposal to use an alternator in place of the dc generator,and to use
a 12 cylinder engine in place of the 16 cylinder one, developing the same hp.

As per the IR Yea Book 1995-96, the Diesel Locomotive Works has, since inception
in 1964 produced 2,457 bg. diesels (WDM/2). (as well as 578 YDMs, 490 high capa-
city diesel shunters, along with 5 0-B-0 shunters as of 31 March 1996. Add to
the 2,457 another approx. 75 engines (for 1997: but I think I read somewhere
that the DLW produced a record 100 engines in 1997), and you get a total figre
of around 2,500 odd engines.
Thats all I have at the moment. I hope to have been of some help.
Best regards.
Shankar.



































At 03:42 AM 3/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>How many WDM2 Loco's have been built, are they still being built. What
>is the horsepower of the latest models, and which type of (model) engine is
>now installed?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Phil Wormald
>
>

From: Steven Brown <able@ricochet.email

Subject: Re: The Last Puff

Date: 01 Apr 1998 12:24:00 -0500


April Fools joke? Probably not, but the report "Steam in India , January
1998" <A HREF="http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india8.htm">http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india8.htm</A>
Reports a quite different picture at Wankaner: No diesel servicing
facilities, no plans to diesel before guage conversion, and no signs of
imminent conversion!! There is an obvious contradiction here.

The International Working Steam Locomotives page
<A HREF="http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm#Stories">http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm#Stories</A> has been updated
today to show both sides of the story.

Meanwhile we can rest assured that 1 YP is safely waiting in the railway
museum in Mysore, but I hope that IR does not believe that saving only one
locomotive to represent the several classes of Indian Manufactured meter
guage locomotives is an adequate effort.

But if the worst case situation does come to pass and they do intend to
dispose all, perhaps there is some way to find homes for a few locomotives,
perhaps overseas, perhaps in parks, perhaps in the Software Technology
Parks! One major US software company tried to save a fighter aircraft
recently ! I would be afraid to ask for the small amount that would be
needed.

Is there anyone in the IRFCA group that sees " The Economic Times " in hard
copy? I believe that is where the surplus locomotives will be advertised.
Does anyone know the weight and/or want to estimate the price?
-----Original Message-----
From: C.L.Zeni <clzeni@mindspring.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: The Last Puff


>Siddhartha Joshi wrote:
>snip
>>
>> These workhorses did not therefore just carry goods and people and open
up
>> undiscovered lands, they marked an epoch in modern history. They do not
>> deserve the fate to which they have been condemned. Why, I wonder, is the
>> IR so very unsentimental about its heritage? Probably ( and this has been
>> discussed over the IRFC postings ) the humungous bureaucracy makes most
>> individual attempts at preservation well nigh impossible, and financial
>> constraints make any IR plans unviable. snip
>
>Here in the US we saw very much the same thing at the end of steam. A
>fair number of locomotives were "stuffed and mounted" in city parks, etc
>and left to deteriorate. A handful have been recovered and put back
>into steam thru volunteer efforts. Only one railway here seemed to have
>made a conscious effort to keep steam alive on the corporate level, that
>being the Union Pacific. After being the first large railroad to
>dieselize here in the early 1950s, our Southern Railway discovered what
>a great public relations thing steam can be in the mid 1960s. The
>Southern, and its successor (thru merger) Norfolk Southern kept steam in
>annual excursion service until 1995, when they suddenly pulled the
>plug. The two premier engines they had, Norfolk and Western 4-8-4 No.
>611 and N&W 2-6-6-4 No. 1218 were returned to the museums from whence
>they came. They now sit cold and lifeless - truly a shame. N&W
>scrapped all the steam they had save two others in 1960-61 and the only
>reason 611 and 1218 survived was because they were sold to an industrial
>plant to be used as steam generators! They survived there a number of
>years then were retrieved and museum-ed.
>
>Let's hope some locos survive in excursion service in India. I do hope
>IR does this.
>--
> Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com
> <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>
>

From: Prakash Tendulkar <prakash@jps.email

Subject: Information about Indian Railways

Date: 01 Apr 1998 15:02:00 -0500


Rediff has added some good information about Indian Railways.
Please check the following URLs:

<A HREF="http://www.rediff.com/travel/trnew.htm#0104rail">http://www.rediff.com/travel/trnew.htm#0104rail</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rediff.com/cgi-programs/AT-travelsearch.exe">http://www.rediff.com/cgi-programs/AT-travelsearch.exe</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rediff.com/travel/train.htm">http://www.rediff.com/travel/train.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rediff.com/travel/log.htm">http://www.rediff.com/travel/log.htm</A> (old articles)

Prakash

From: Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) <tog-sa@he.email

Subject: Re: (not really) The Last Puff

Date: 02 Apr 1998 15:31:00 -0500


Hello,

Better late than never...

I suppose that I may have no influence on the
I.R. pereserving some m.g. steam stuff, but...

Could we seriously discuss preservation of
a meter gauge indian Lok (steam)
and "use" in Europe ?

A) transport is not so expensive as one may imagine
(we tested such things for you...:
friends brought MICHELINE from Madagascar, as well
as 2 passenger cars / couple of months ago /
and we are ready for preservation of interesting stuff
now located in South-America)

B) several lines could accept an YD or YP
(I have studied the drawings,
kindly suppleid by I.R.)

C) about boiler regulations etc...
for future "use"...
well it may be solved if we are serious...
and I.R. probably still has brand new replacement boilers
which will never be used...

D) concerning the "money" side...
"multi-owner" structures are common in UK
and France as well (e.g. Mikado 141R420
for which I organized the basis of legal structure
approx 20 or so years ago...)

Probably most difficult is discussing with I.R.
but for this it looks like we have good contacts on the spot...

Steven Brown wrote:
>
> April Fools joke? Probably not, but the report "Steam in India , January
> 1998" <A HREF="http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india8.htm">http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india8.htm</A>
> Reports a quite different picture at Wankaner: No diesel servicing
> facilities, no plans to diesel before guage conversion, and no signs of
> imminent conversion!! There is an obvious contradiction here.
>
> The International Working Steam Locomotives page
> <A HREF="http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm#Stories">http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm#Stories</A> has been updated
> today to show both sides of the story.
>
> Meanwhile we can rest assured that 1 YP is safely waiting in the railway
> museum in Mysore, but I hope that IR does not believe that saving only one
> locomotive to represent the several classes of Indian Manufactured meter
> guage locomotives is an adequate effort.
>
> But if the worst case situation does come to pass and they do intend to
> dispose all, perhaps there is some way to find homes for a few locomotives,
> perhaps overseas, perhaps in parks, perhaps in the Software Technology
> Parks! One major US software company tried to save a fighter aircraft
> recently ! I would be afraid to ask for the small amount that would be
> needed.
>
> Is there anyone in the IRFCA group that sees " The Economic Times " in hard
> copy? I believe that is where the surplus locomotives will be advertised.
> Does anyone know the weight and/or want to estimate the price?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C.L.Zeni <clzeni@mindspring.email
> To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
> Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: The Last Puff
>
> >Siddhartha Joshi wrote:
> >snip
> >>
> >> These workhorses did not therefore just carry goods and people and open
> up
> >> undiscovered lands, they marked an epoch in modern history. They do not
> >> deserve the fate to which they have been condemned. Why, I wonder, is the
> >> IR so very unsentimental about its heritage? Probably ( and this has been
> >> discussed over the IRFC postings ) the humungous bureaucracy makes most
> >> individual attempts at preservation well nigh impossible, and financial
> >> constraints make any IR plans unviable. snip
> >
> >Here in the US we saw very much the same thing at the end of steam. A
> >fair number of locomotives were "stuffed and mounted" in city parks, etc
> >and left to deteriorate. A handful have been recovered and put back
> >into steam thru volunteer efforts. Only one railway here seemed to have
> >made a conscious effort to keep steam alive on the corporate level, that
> >being the Union Pacific. After being the first large railroad to
> >dieselize here in the early 1950s, our Southern Railway discovered what
> >a great public relations thing steam can be in the mid 1960s. The
> >Southern, and its successor (thru merger) Norfolk Southern kept steam in
> >annual excursion service until 1995, when they suddenly pulled the
> >plug. The two premier engines they had, Norfolk and Western 4-8-4 No.
> >611 and N&W 2-6-6-4 No. 1218 were returned to the museums from whence
> >they came. They now sit cold and lifeless - truly a shame. N&W
> >scrapped all the steam they had save two others in 1960-61 and the only
> >reason 611 and 1218 survived was because they were sold to an industrial
> >plant to be used as steam generators! They survived there a number of
> >years then were retrieved and museum-ed.
> >
> >Let's hope some locos survive in excursion service in India. I do hope
> >IR does this.
> >--
> > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com
> > <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>
> >

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From: Siddhartha Joshi <siddha@phy.email

Subject: Re: The Last Puff

Date: 02 Apr 1998 23:31:00 -0500


> April Fools joke? Probably not, but the report "Steam in India , January
> 1998" <A HREF="http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india8.htm">http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/india8.htm</A>
> Reports a quite different picture at Wankaner: No diesel servicing
> facilities, no plans to diesel before guage conversion, and no signs of
> imminent conversion!! There is an obvious contradiction here.
________________________________________________________________________________
Steven.

You bet it isn't an April fool's joke, I wish it were ! That date is
officially the last date for steam, as decided by IR. As far as the
Railways are concerned, you can't really have a last date for phasing out
steam locos. The loco's have been decaying over the years since their
production and the production of their parts stopped. Even as of January,
when we made our trip to Mhow, that shed had 12 locos(as compared with
50+ a few years back), of which 4 were in working condition (though in
pretty bad shape overall), while the rest were being scavenged for
parts.(a pathetic scene, especially at a rail loco yard, and especially so
for steam). These 4 and whatever is left of the others will probably be
advertised as scrap over the next few months, and sold off to the highest
bidders for being taken apart and sold a scrap iron.

At Mhow, the process of conversion to diesel was evident. The steam power
there was being used mainly for the running of a couple of services, the
89/90, and for banking/shunting duties. Failure of the steam link was/is
not an uncommon feature here. The bulk of the work was being done by
YDM4's. Conversion to diesel in these (mainly/exclusively) meter gauge
stretches is given priority over gauge conversion. This is expected as the
diesels are more reliable and easier to maintain.

The shed officials as well as the Ratlam staff were not aware of any plans
to preserve any of the Mhow examples.

I wonder if an awareness campaign along with a letter to IR officials (and
especially to those sympathetic with our cause, for these do exist) will
help ??

Siddhartha.
________________________________________________________________________________

From: Paul Davies <8daviep1@uk.email

Subject: Re: (not really) The Last Puff

Date: 02 Apr 1998 12:35:00 -0500


How much cash are we talking about? I've always had the urge to get one of
those Himalaya & Darjeeling tanks back to Britain for use on one of our 2ft
railways. Unfortunately we havn't got any 3ft (or thereabout) gauge railways in
the UK.

Paul Davies.
LAN Support Specialist,
Distributed Systems Site Infrastructure Support,
Floor 3 South, IBM UK Ltd, Alencon House, Alencon Link, Basingstoke. UK.
Tel +44 (0)1256 344522 (internal 314522)

From: Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) <tog-sa@he.email

Subject: Re: (not really) The Last Puff

Date: 02 Apr 1998 17:00:00 -0500


Hello,

Need check precisely for origin = India, but...

cost roll on / roll off for a meter gauge Lok
from South-America to North France (via Antwerpen)
recently calculated at a level of approx. 80'000 FF
i.e. +/- 8'000 £

same for 2 cars meter gauge origin = Madagascar
recently was approx 80'000 now down to 50'000 FF

of course when CFBS Baie de Somme first inquired about
transport cost for the m.g. PACIFIC which they intended
preserve from VietNam (mistakingly scrapped ?!£&?!!)
price was at level 500'000 FF or more (a PACIFIC is 2
pieces, Lok + tender...), now should be approx. 25% of this...

But I think that main problem with Darjeeling stuff
will be "indian side" i.e. they won't sell anything
at reasonable price...

I think that there are ex-Darjeeling units
in private hands (industry) and this may be tried too...

Well... "indian side" opinion needed here...

Paul Davies wrote:
>
> How much cash are we talking about? I've always had the urge to get one of
> those Himalaya & Darjeeling tanks back to Britain for use on one of our 2ft
> railways. Unfortunately we havn't got any 3ft (or thereabout) gauge railways in
> the UK.

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From: Paul Davies <8daviep1@uk.email

Subject: Re: (not really) The Last Puff

Date: 02 Apr 1998 15:09:00 -0500


The 'Indian factor' would therefore also stretch to your MG pacific then.
Sometimes I wonder about these people... They wouldn't get a lot for the locos
at scrap value, but they won't sell them to you at a reasonable price. You
would think that they would be pleased to sell them to someone who would take
an active interest in them. Personally, If I am getting rid of something, I
would rather sell it to someone who would give it a good home. Are you just
interested in a pacific or are you looking for anything else on MG? There must
be hundreds of Locos out there rotting away in sidings.


Paul Davies.
LAN Support Specialist,
Distributed Systems Site Infrastructure Support,
Floor 3 South, IBM UK Ltd, Alencon House, Alencon Link, Basingstoke. UK.
Tel +44 (0)1256 344522 (internal 314522)

From: Steven Brown <able@ricochet.email

Subject: Re: (not really) The Last Puff $?

Date: 02 Apr 1998 07:31:00 -0500


Well , I think that the locomotive could cost less than the shipping ! But
the trick is to have someone at the auction with appropriate backing($). The
world price for steel is around $us120-140 ton, so that's all they can go
for unless 2 museums bid on the same locomotive. The auctions are open bid
and I suppose there is a cash deposit. The auction was shown on one of the
videos, I think that it was the National Geographic video with the last
annual steam locomotive parade.

*The auction could occur in as little as a month from now.
* No Darjeeling locomotives are likely to be sold , only meter guage
locomotives.
*Meter guage railways exist in many parts of the world (except US and
Britain), and will continue to operate in India for at least 10 more years.

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) <tog-sa@he.email
To: 8daviep1@uk.email <8daviep1@uk.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: (not really) The Last Puff


>Hello,
>
>Need check precisely for origin = India, but...
>
>cost roll on / roll off for a meter gauge Lok
>from South-America to North France (via Antwerpen)
>recently calculated at a level of approx. 80'000 FF
>i.e. +/- 8'000 £
>
>same for 2 cars meter gauge origin = Madagascar
>recently was approx 80'000 now down to 50'000 FF
>
>of course when CFBS Baie de Somme first inquired about
>transport cost for the m.g. PACIFIC which they intended
>preserve from VietNam (mistakingly scrapped ?!£&?!!)
>price was at level 500'000 FF or more (a PACIFIC is 2
>pieces, Lok + tender...), now should be approx. 25% of this...
>
>But I think that main problem with Darjeeling stuff
>will be "indian side" i.e. they won't sell anything
>at reasonable price...
>
>I think that there are ex-Darjeeling units
>in private hands (industry) and this may be tried too...
>
>Well... "indian side" opinion needed here...
>
>Paul Davies wrote:
>>
>> How much cash are we talking about? I've always had the urge to get one
of
>> those Himalaya & Darjeeling tanks back to Britain for use on one of our
2ft
>> railways. Unfortunately we havn't got any 3ft (or thereabout) gauge
railways in
>> the UK.
>
>--
>
>===================================================================
>TOG Devt. S.A. "IXpert" Philippe QUIOT
>CH - 1092 Belmont tog-sa@he.email
> internet/intranet consulting ( )
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>
>

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Re: The Last Puff

Date: 03 Apr 1998 18:21:00 -0500


> I wonder if an awareness campaign along with a letter to IR officials (and
> especially to those sympathetic with our cause, for these do exist) will
> help ??
>
> Siddhartha.
> ________________________________________________________________________________

Good idea...........we wouldn't lose anything by trying, would we ? In any case,
there is not much time
left. Scrapped locos do not last very long.

--
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Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
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From: Peter Mosse <pjcm@worldnet.email

Subject: Re: The Last Puff

Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:33:00 -0500


Can anyone post some names, titles and addresses of suitable IR officials
for people to write to ??
Peter Mosse

----------
> From: sank@telco.email
> To: Siddhartha Joshi <siddha@phy.email
> Cc: IR List <irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: The Last Puff
> Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 10:21 PM
>
> I wonder if an awareness campaign along with a letter to IR officials
(and
> especially to those sympathetic with our cause, for these do exist) will
> help ??
>
> Siddhartha.
>
____________________________________________________________________________
____

Good idea...........we wouldn't lose anything by trying, would we ? In any
case,
there is not much time
left. Scrapped locos do not last very long.

--
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Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
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From: Prakash Tendulkar <prakash@us.email

Subject: TDP Chief meets Railway Minister

Date: 03 Apr 1998 12:34:00 -0500


The excerpts from article in The Times of India.

Prakash
===================================
The Times of India
Saturday 4 April 1998

Earlier, Mr Naidu met railway minister Nitish Kumar to discuss
rail projects for Andhra Pradesh. The meeting lasted more than
half an hour.

An official spokesman said the railway minister had assured Mr
Naidu of considering his proposal to hand over to the state
government free of cost the old and outlived railway bridge at
Rajamundhry on Godavari river for maintenance. The state
government had proposed to maintain the bridge as a national
monument.

He said Mr Naidu expressed his resistance to the transfer of
Waltair division (Vishakapatnam) of the South-Eastern Railways
to the newly-set up East-Coast Railways at Bhubaneswar and
that of Guntakkal division of the South-Central Railways to the
newly-set up South-Western Railway zone at Bangalore.

Regarding the construction of flyovers at some railway crossings,
Mr Naidu was told that the railways would undertake construction
of the flyovers wherever the state government provided 50 per cent
fund.

Asked if the pleas for new rail lines and better facilities by Mr
Naidu and Trinamul Congress chief Mamata Bannerjee for their
respective states would be accorded priority over others, Mr
Kumar said priority would be given to all states, including West
Bengal and Andhra Pradesh, but within the resource constraints
of the railways. Mr Kumar assured Mr Naidu that he would examine
and see how best demands of the AP government are accommodated.

Regarding introduction of new trains and other demands of the
state, Mr Naidu said he would meet the railway minister at the
time when the railway budget was finalised. The railway minister
replied in the negative to a question on whether Mr Naidu had set
any time- frame for the implementation of the memorandum of
understanding submitted by him.

Mr Kumar reiterated that his ministry would go ahead with rail
projects in Jammu and Kashmir, the north-east and other backward
areas.(Agencies)


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From: Siddhartha Joshi <siddha@phy.email

Subject: NEW

Date: 06 Apr 1998 22:24:00 -0500


Junta.

Exciting(though slow) place for exotic sightings : Vasai Road. You
can see WCAM1,2p,3 all together! There is a transshipment (CR <---> WR)
point here.

Details soon in a posting and look out for our webpage, hopefully
coming up this week!

Siddhartha.

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Unigauge ?

Date: 08 Apr 1998 22:42:00 -0500


<HTML>
In response to :

<P><A HREF="<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/</A>">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/</A></A>

<P>Regarding the headline you have put up questioning Project Unigauge:

<P>Some time ago there were reports of the frieght rail link being planned
between Singapore and
<BR>Europe, and India was to be a signatory. It occured to me that Singapore,
Malaysia, Myanmar and
<BR>Bangladesh operate exclusively on the meter gauge.

<P>An excellent reason to retain at least a few MG&nbsp;corridors in India
becomes obivous: just for the purpose
<BR>of making a lot of transhipment (with facilites/manpower/overheads)
between Bangladesh and
<BR>India redundant...........and to dream of a high-speed passenger service
someday between Delhi and
<BR>Singapore !!

<P>As a matter of&nbsp; curiosity, what exactly are the justifications
supporting the MG&nbsp;system ?
<BR>(Apart from railfan enthusiasm, of course ;)
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
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Pimpri : Pune : 411 018 : INDIA
tel - 91(212)774261 exn 2534
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From: Siddhartha Joshi <siddha@phy.email

Subject: The webpage you've been waiting for

Date: 09 Apr 1998 09:47:00 -0500


Junta.

Our webpage is ready. You may view it at :

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/index.html">http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/index.html</A>

Your comments and suggestions are welcome.


Siddhartha Joshi,
Bharat Vohra.

From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email

Subject: train pix

Date: 09 Apr 1998 07:40:00 -0500


Fantastic visual feast, best we've had on the web so far.
Congratulations, keep up the good work! All the more reason to keep
browsing! KEEP them rolling!
Two points:
Your caption for the WG is 'pacific behemoth'. I believe you are
refering to it as 'at peace', or 'peacefully resting' or something like
that.
I suggest you remove the 'pacific'and use another word instead, as steam
pundits might find that term misleading.
As you know, in Europe, wheel arrangements have been named. "Pacific" is
the term given to the 4-6-2 wheel arrangement, whereas the WG is a
"Mikado", i,e, 2-8-2.The caption gives the impression that you are
reerring to the WG as a Pacific, which is not correct.
Second, an interesting bit of info about the WDM/s with the semi steam-
lined end: it was an experiment tried out in the early 1980s or
something. The design was supposed to provide for terrific visibility
with the short hood leading.
Alas, the engines were probably built to American proportions.With the
short stature of Indian drivers, they were lucky to barely manage a
peek out of the windshield at the droop in the windshield at extreme
left or extreme right, where the nose meets the rest ofthe body:the
windshield was fitted at such a height!Even after raising the seat,the
glass used to start at forehead level! I've got into one of those
engines:its awful!
Moreover, both entrance doors to the cab opened onto the running plate,
so both driver and co-driver had to make do with tiny door mounted wind-
shields with the long hood leading. Normally, at least the driver has a
slightly larger windshield.
With poor lookout with either hood leading therefore, this model was not
repeated.
Best regards, and hats off to you once again.
Shankar.

From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email

Subject: [Fwd: train pix

Date: 09 Apr 1998 07:42:00 -0500


Shankar wrote:
>
> Fantastic visual feast, best we've had on the web so far.
> Congratulations, keep up the good work! All the more reason to keep
> browsing! KEEP them rolling!
> Two points:
> Your caption for the WG is 'pacific behemoth'. I believe you are
> refering to it as 'at peace', or 'peacefully resting' or something like
> that.
> I suggest you remove the 'pacific'and use another word instead, as steam
> pundits might find that term misleading.
> As you know, in Europe, wheel arrangements have been named. "Pacific" is
> the term given to the 4-6-2 wheel arrangement, whereas the WG is a
> "Mikado", i,e, 2-8-2.The caption gives the impression that you are
> reerring to the WG as a Pacific, which is not correct.
> Second, an interesting bit of info about the WDM/s with the semi steam-
> lined end: it was an experiment tried out in the early 1980s or
> something. The design was supposed to provide for terrific visibility
> with the short hood leading.
> Alas, the engines were probably built to American proportions.With the
> short stature of Indian drivers, they were lucky to barely manage a
> peek out of the windshield at the droop in the windshield at extreme
> left or extreme right, where the nose meets the rest ofthe body:the
> windshield was fitted at such a height!Even after raising the seat,the
> glass used to start at forehead level! I've got into one of those
> engines:its awful!
> Moreover, both entrance doors to the cab opened onto the running plate,
> so both driver and co-driver had to make do with tiny door mounted wind-
> shields with the long hood leading. Normally, at least the driver has a
> slightly larger windshield.
> With poor lookout with either hood leading therefore, this model was not
> repeated.
> Best regards, and hats off to you once again.
> Shankar.

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